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Aielyn said:

 

Six calendar months PS3 sales, November 2006-April 2007 (includes European launch in March): 3.24 million

Incomplete three calendar months Wii U sales: 2.47 million

Do you really think that, across February, March, and April, the Wii U won't sell 800,000 units? Even with Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, Lego City Undercover, Rayman Legends, and Injustice: Gods Among Us releasing in that time in the West, and Dragon Quest X in Japan?

Yes. It's selling, what, 30-40k per week now so if we say three months are 13 weeks or so that would mean sales of ~450k. Let's give it a few boosts because of the games, lower it again because it's still dropping etc. and we arrive at about 500-600k.



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Aielyn said:
UncleScrooge said:
It's the truth. the Gamecube sold 5m units a year for the first few years on the market. The Vita sold, what, 3.5m in 2012? And the Wii U's weekly sales are below the Vita's sales pace right now (I know the launch itself was stronger but current sales are below Gamecube level - this site once had a weekly sales graph for 6th gen consoles and the Gamecube did like 50k a week in normal weeks. Your account is from 2007 so you probably knew about that tool). I don't expect the Wii U to end up at 5m units this year, btw. But current sales are really that bad. Also, I guess "bashing" was the wrong word lol. I like being realistic. When people say it's all flowers and fairies I want to go against that notion. The Wii U, Vita and 3DS are all selling way below expectations right now. Totally silly behaviour, I know...

The GC sold 5 million a year for the first few years. The Wii U has sold half that amount in two months. I really don't see how your argument makes any sense.


And how is the Wii U selling right now? I'm not talking about the launch sales. I'm talking full years on the market. Gamecube in 2001 (when it was released everywhere but Europe) did over 2m units (it did more than 1m in Japan alone). So its launch "year" was comparable to the Wii U. In 2002 and 2003 the Gamecube did roughly 5m units a year. That's what I'm talking about. Do you think the Wii U will keep up that holiday sales pace and double its LTD sales in the next 2 months? You can't just use holiday / launch sales and take that as the sales pace of a console. The Vita sold 300k units in its first week in Japan - should we just extrapolate that number to predict its yearly sales? The PS3 did 600k units in Europe first week - how did that develop? The Wii U is currently (!) on pace to do 150k units a month according to VGChartz. That's definitely not above Gamecube level. 



zuvuyeay said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The Wii's victory was empty. The WIi U Nintendos "Redemption Song" but they might have bit off a bit more than they can chew going after the avid gamer crowd while having the competition they've got.


i don't think it was empty stage,100m consoles is very very good and i'm sure the nintendo crowd enjoyed the victory nicely :)


Empty= Library and the actual recorded usage was less than the competition which sold less. This means in actual value it wasn't worth as much even to casuals. 



pezus said:
Yes. It's selling, what, 30-40k per week now so if we say three months are 13 weeks or so that would mean sales of ~450k. Let's give it a few boosts because of the games, lower it again because it's still dropping etc. and we arrive at about 500-600k.

Games sell consoles. The Wii U has one game that you can't get anywhere else that is targetted at the core gamer (the type of gamer that buys consoles early) - ZombiU. Another two are expected within the next couple of months, along with two other games that are almost certain to drive demand. And there's probably more that haven't been announced yet (because Nintendo haven't done their third-party Direct, yet).

Now, let's address your mathematics. The Wii U sold 39k last week, and that's the worst it has gotten to - saying "30-40k" and then using 35k from that range, and then saying "but it's still dropping" AFTER that, is just disingenuous. Immediately, that increases the numbers by 50k, when you correct for that. And then there's the fact that there's 14-15 more weeks to the end of April, not 13 - that gives another 40-80k, bringing the number prior to accounting for effects of games up to 540-580k. But more than that, there hasn't been a single notable Wii U release since launch. That won't be true going forwards, and one of the biggest gripes people have had about the Wii U so far is not knowing what else is coming to the system - that's another thing that is starting to be addressed, with interest in the Wii U noticeably higher now online than it was two weeks ago.

It's just naive to think that it's going to stay this low for another three months, especially considering that sales usually increase between January and March.

But hey, let's ignore that side for a moment, and turn our attention to the other angle. "Wii U is doing badly", right? What are the other systems doing compared with last year? January 21, 2011: PS3 195k, 360 186k, Wii 122k, 3DS 195k, Vita 16k. January 19, 2012: PS3 113k, 360 85k, Wii 32k, 3DS 176k, Vita 28k. The only one with higher numbers is Vita, and it's selling more poorly than the Wii U. The game market is weak at the moment. Is it going to stay that way? Probably not. And why would the Wii U be affected any differently from the rest, in this regard? Especially when it's still lacking in major system-sellers (NSMB U isn't enough on its own, and the only other system-sellers are Nintendo Land and ZombiU - one game appeals to retro fans, the other is a new and untested IP). What happens when Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, etc, arrive on the system?



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TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Player1x3 said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Player1x3 said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:

The Wii is one of the best selling consoles of all time.  It only sold better than 1 PS console

The 3DS is selling better than the DS up to this point in it's life and the DS is the best selling console of all time.  Wrong. PS2 is still the king

The Wii U is selling better than the PS3 and 360 so far. Not if you include PS3's european launch

What are you talking about? The WiiU is doing very poorly 

 

Also the Wii U will do awesome once the games come rolling out. I'm a grade 3/4 primary school teacher and almost everyone of my students wants a Wii U. 




1) I said ONE of the best selling consoles of all time. Isn't it the 4th best selling console of all time?  i know you did. it still sold better than only 1 ps console 

2) You serious? the numbers are so close the DS is practically the best selling console if not already. You must have known what i meant?   ugh, what? PS2 is still ahead, the DS isn't best selling until it passes ps2, regardless of how close they are. that's like saying ps3 is already ahead of 360

The Wii U is not doing "very poorly" at all. It's not doing nearly as good as the Wii or as good as Nintendo had hoped but it's doing far from "very poorly". It's doing pretty damn good considering it only has like 3 games. It had a 2D, first time HD mario game on launch, which is the biggest franchise in gaming history and nintendo's strongest asset. Plus, only the PS2 had more games at launch than WiiU



you sound a little butt hurt that Nintendo is going to have the best selling console of all time in the next couple of months.

 

Also the Wii U launched with about only 3-4 next gen games. It's doing pretty damn good I say


That's a pretty mature response from a primary school teacher 



UncleScrooge said:

And how is the Wii U selling right now? I'm not talking about the launch sales. I'm talking full years on the market. Gamecube in 2001 (when it was released everywhere but Europe) did over 2m units (it did more than 1m in Japan alone). So its launch "year" was comparable to the Wii U. In 2002 and 2003 the Gamecube did roughly 5m units a year. That's what I'm talking about. Do you think the Wii U will keep up that holiday sales pace and double its LTD sales in the next 2 months? You can't just use holiday / launch sales and take that as the sales pace of a console. The Vita sold 300k units in its first week in Japan - should we just extrapolate that number to predict its yearly sales? The PS3 did 600k units in Europe first week - how did that develop? The Wii U is currently (!) on pace to do 150k units a month according to VGChartz. That's definitely not above Gamecube level.

I didn't say that the Wii U would sell another 2.5 million in the next two months. I said that you can't say "it's below the Gamecube, which sold 5 million a year for the first few years" because it's done half of that in its first two months - it's not unreasonable to expect it to manage the same amount in the remaining 10 months. The Wii U is currently selling 39k per week (what is it with you guys and lowballing every single number, when we have EXACT numbers available?). If it were to stay this low (very unlikely - every console has a slow period in the first few months after launch), it would have 43 weeks left at 39k per week, or 1.7 million. But of course, the year includes the early holiday period, which typically kicks in in October. And in the meantime, there's going to be bumps from Lego City Undercover, Rayman Legends, Wii Fit U, Game & Wario, The Wonderful 101, probably Wind Waker HD (assuming they're keeping Mario 3D for November, Wind Waker HD will probably be September), Pikmin 3, probably Bayonetta 2, Wii Party U, and possibly even Mario Kart U (assuming that Wind Waker is September and Mario 3D is November, Mario Kart U may be October), Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, and Dragon Quest X in Japan (and possibly elsewhere), all of which are exclusives or effectively exclusives. Is there any doubt that these games are going to spur sales? And of course, that's not going to be the entire lineup for the Wii U for the next 10 months.

It's easy to judge a system based on a single week. It's funny how fickle people on here really are. There really is no reason to expect that the rate of sales in one week in January, the ONLY week so far to be below 50k, will be above the average for the remainder of the year. And what's worse, you and everyone else who goes "Wii U will only sell like 30k a week from now on" know this, too. You're just being intentionally obtuse, and it's childish.



Player1x3 said:
That's a pretty mature response from a primary school teacher

Ahhh, ad hominem. A wonderful reaction, Player1x3.



Aielyn said:
Player1x3 said:
That's a pretty mature response from a primary school teacher

Ahhh, ad hominem. A wonderful reaction, Player1x3.


When he actually presents an argument, im going to respond with one. ''Being butthurt'' is not an argument, Aielyn (whatever the hell that means)



May I remind you what happened with the PS2? Not sony made the games at the consoles end of life but SquareEnix etc did. So Nintendo as a game developer isnt treating the Wii different that Sony treated the PS2.

Nintendo is the main developer for its own systems and since they had a 3ds coming and a new console the Wii just lacked Nintendo support and without third parties giving a F*ck it had no games. Thats basic logic.

The 3ds is doing great. And the WiiU is out for 1 month in europe LOL. Sure its really stupid that from launch untill e3 there is like no big game (since Nintendo announced Mario MarioKart Smash Zelda etc. will be shown at e3 so not even one of those games will come out prior to e3)


Sure there is Pikmin 3 and game and wario but i dont care about those games. The WiiU had a rushed holiday season release without enough good games to play but its still in its launch year. (remember ps3?)