proof?

i find authoritarians like you to be a much greater threat. 

The sticking point to our mental health policy is that we cannot commit people unwillingly who are not a danger to themselves or others. The mentally ill who make up the large proportion of the chronically homeless fall under that heading.

Once you're in the system, however, it's very hospitable.

In Lanza's case, again, early warning would have helped better. Even if he was motivated by fear of being committed, more care given to him in school or whatever would've been good.

I find it interesting that the same people who (tend to) argue that prohibition is ineffective and you can't prevent someone from having access to something (like drugs) by making it illegal also tend to believe you can solve the problem of gun violence by making guns illegal ...

Now, I personally believe that laws can have a big impact on gun ownership of responsible and law abiding citizens while having a minimal impact on irresponsible gun owners and criminals; and any reduction in gun ownership of people with serious mental health issues that will (likely) result in mass murders will (likely) be negated by these people finding other ways to commit their crimes.

Essentially, the reason for this is the law can prevent a gun from being sold by a reputable store but (being that they can't stop 500,000 new illegal immigrants from crossing the border) there is no chance that they will be able to prevent people from buying illegally imported guns on the black market; and, as long as there is a demand for weapons in the United States, the market for these guns will ensure that they're still being manufactured somewhere.

exactly as long as we have virtually complete open borders, where we cant even stop people from coming in illegally, no gun control will ever work.

its doesnt even work in island nations, or nations that actually secure their border, and actually enforce their immagration laws.

I find it that people have unrealistic viewpoints about what would happen with the gun-control laws, whether they are for it or against it.

Gun control is definitively statistically NOT the answer.

Those who argue for it are arguing solely out of an appeal to emotion.

It's really as clear as that.

Your talking about negativly impacted a lot of people, for an illogical act already proven not to work, while taking the focus off the REAL issues of the matter.

Which is knowing the signs of mental problems, and well good informed parenting.

That's hard though, so just ban guns.

Not if you look at what the people who wrote it said about it... They pretty much all meant for a militia, and yes... even for raising up against the government if need be.... there are tons of quotes on it being for this, and few if any of the opposite.

Khan, I honestly don't understand why your so illogical on this issue when you know statistically this is nothing but a bad move.  (Lack of "hot" home invasions, minority protection in big cities, gun crimes generally not occuring by liscened owners)

Again, this is was drives me crazy about you.   You are basically dealing in George W Bush style fear mongoring rhetoric at this point... The US government has had a total of one major civil war since it's existence... and said civil war and strife was caused, not by our well armed citzens, but by state governments.

Heck, most of the small rebellions and revolts were usually fought by government officials too... usually revolutionary war figures no less.

The majority of revolts and rebellions done by non government people were actually done by our LEAST armed population.  Slaves.

The only armed citizens revolt that comes to mind in recent times, actually tends to be a poster child for guns rights activists.

To put it in a marxian perspective... guns don't cause violence or revolts, the difference perceived in justicie between people and their neighbors is what causes violence and revolts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29

Though it doesn't look like they actually had guns at the time, and stole them.  Showing how gun legislation would be well... pointless.

Yeah, when you get people in the hosptial it's good.  We're good at letting people know when they're crazy, however what we aren't good at is convincing parents to do what's right for their mentally ill children.

Often simply because they are more worried about what people will think and being embarresed. 

More emphasis needs to be put on the parents, proper parenting and parental responsibility.

If instead of a pointless, meaningless, anti-scienctific rant against guns... focus was put on the parents mistakes.  Perhaps some more parents would make the correct calls for their children and in general live safer lives in regards to their children, gun saftey etc.

Looking at what caused the problem, rather then shifting the blame on inanimate object.  That is the correct way to handle such situations.   Otherwise we're no different then the kid who complains he can't beat a videogame level because "The controller is broken" or the game is messed up.  Except we're doing it with a MUCH more serious issue.

I like what he's done, too*: nothing. Once again, his supporters rally around him and he just fucks them right over by serving them up a big, fat nothingburger. "I want a new assault weapons ban" means exactly jack shit when Harry Reid has already shot down the idea.



* I don't like the fact that he surrounded himself with kids to do it, or that he's proposing to blow another $500 million on nothing. But watching him shaft his stupid fan club who are too stupid to even realize they've been had is always good for a laugh. It's the one bright spot of his whole godawful presidency.