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MARCUSDJACKSON on 16 January 2013
Izo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
the only thing that will solve gun violence other then people not loosing their god damn minds , is doing away with all guns, and i'll leave it at that.

Mit Romney is a hypocrite (IMHO)

Maybe, but this issue has many aspects. One of the issues I find is how fucked up society is and how they treat people. Everyday selfish selfdirecting people make life hard on everyone and they wont change. Many of us are fucked up and the bad attitude is not good for anyone. It isn't just about letting the looner play dodgeball with you its about not treating people like you're better then them (which is what 99% of all of us do). Wanna know who breads alot of this crazy shit? The indivual actions of the majority people of this world. I am sick of sick people. A vast majority of people need major change and self relflection.

In other words: I blame alot of the crazy shit people do on the everyday selfishness of the average person, just as much as I blame the fucked up person.

i couldn't agree more.

 

 

greenmedic88 said:
"doing away with all guns"

Okay, until someone manages to locate an all powerful god or djinn willing to do mankind's bidding that can simply "magic" all existing firearms away with a wish, that's not going to happen. Ever. 

There are places in the world where a fully automatic AK-47 can be bought for the equivalent of about $30 USD to put things in perspective. If someone wants one, they'll have to pay more to get one through illegitimate means if they're in a region where such firearms have been made illegal, but to think that by passing a law outlawing its sale or possession equates to a miraculous, magical reality in which they will never be present is so naive it's beyond laughable. 

You'd be better off trying to legislate states of mind between sane and mentally ill.

yea like that would ever happen. you know i was being sarcastic right?

 



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bouzane on 16 January 2013
DieAppleDie said:
you know how is called when everybody is armed in their own nation? Civil war


Do you only post assinine nonsense?



Mr Khan on 16 January 2013
thranx said:
would be better if he actually addressed the real issue, mental health. All of these acts of violence we have seen still would of occurred even if guns were outlawed and not available. They would simply use some other method to cause mayhem, weather it be bombs, using vehicles as weapons, setting fires, etc. If you want these acts of violence to stop we need to find a way to deal with the mentally handicapped/psychotics. Our jails are too crowded and our police are too busy jailing and prosecuting drug crimes and criminals that they do not have the space/funding/time to adequately deal with the mentally unstable.

We're generally pretty good about mental health, actually. The problem is how to effectively create a filter for the early warning signs (which are often telegraphed well in advance) without starting to demonize everyone who doesn't quite fit in (which would be both unfair and counter-productive, as it would just cause such people to feel ostracized and make them more likely to go bad)



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Mr Khan on 16 January 2013
bouzane said:
DieAppleDie said:
you know how is called when everybody is armed in their own nation? Civil war


Do you only post assinine nonsense?

This is what i meant by "bombard the conversation." Since dialogue is impossible on certain points, you hammer away at the same point. Fully-armed citizenry is a danger of civil war, and will do far more harm than good.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 16 January 2013
NintendoPie said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
the only thing that will solve gun violence other then people not loosing their god damn minds , is doing away with all guns, and i'll leave it at that.

Mit Romney is a hypocrite (IMHO)

Like that'll happen.

You guys act like the people who truly want these guns won't be able to get them when we have gun laws. The people who truly want these guns could care less about some laws.

what's ever in bold, is what i believe lol.



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killerzX on 16 January 2013

fun fact: if every all 23 of those executive orders had been in place before the Newton shooting, it would have effected the shooter in any way!



killerzX on 16 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
bouzane said:
DieAppleDie said:
you know how is called when everybody is armed in their own nation? Civil war


Do you only post assinine nonsense?

This is what i meant by "bombard the conversation." Since dialogue is impossible on certain points, you hammer away at the same point. Fully-armed citizenry is a danger of civil war, and will do far more harm than good.

unsupported and unsubstantiated claims.



DieAppleDie on 16 January 2013

if a guy has to meet a dangerous criminal to buy a gun and instead of whatever it costs, you Americans, a gun it costs him/her lets say 3000$, the average person would say its freaking obvious it would be much more difficult for him to purchase one instead of going to a shop near his house and pay 100$ for one



Mr Khan on 16 January 2013
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
bouzane said:
DieAppleDie said:
you know how is called when everybody is armed in their own nation? Civil war


Do you only post assinine nonsense?

This is what i meant by "bombard the conversation." Since dialogue is impossible on certain points, you hammer away at the same point. Fully-armed citizenry is a danger of civil war, and will do far more harm than good.

unsupported and unsubstantiated claims.

We chase our own tails endlessly. When people act as military agents outside a governing body, it inevitably leads to problems.

Not necessarily always if the citizenry is armed and trained, of course. If they really are all in military reserves (like Israel or Switzerland) they end up being more trustworthy, but otherwise, those armed as if for war will present a threat to public order.



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thranx on 16 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
would be better if he actually addressed the real issue, mental health. All of these acts of violence we have seen still would of occurred even if guns were outlawed and not available. They would simply use some other method to cause mayhem, weather it be bombs, using vehicles as weapons, setting fires, etc. If you want these acts of violence to stop we need to find a way to deal with the mentally handicapped/psychotics. Our jails are too crowded and our police are too busy jailing and prosecuting drug crimes and criminals that they do not have the space/funding/time to adequately deal with the mentally unstable.

We're generally pretty good about mental health, actually. The problem is how to effectively create a filter for the early warning signs (which are often telegraphed well in advance) without starting to demonize everyone who doesn't quite fit in (which would be both unfair and counter-productive, as it would just cause such people to feel ostracized and make them more likely to go bad)

Have any articles to back that up? I have never seen the us at the forefront of mental health. What i usually read says most people with mental health problems end up on the street, and a select few go on shooting rampages. And if i am not mistaken Adam Lanza went on his hooting rampage due to his fear of being put in a mental hospital. My brother worked at Patent State Hospital (mental hospital in southern CA) and would tell me of some of the stuff that went on there, crazy stuff of course. (he is a dieticion not a Doctor). So irregardless of if he had access to weapons, if he was fearful of being institutionalized he probably would found a different violent outlet than guns.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601651.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57559635/mental-health-care-in-u.s-questioned-amid-another-tragedy/

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/MentalHealthSurveillance/