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Forums - Sales Discussion - UPDATE: Prediction: Call of Duty: Black Ops Declassified (Vita) will outsell WiiU CoD #2 (Vita wins by over 7:1...)

 

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A genius and a scholar 26 17.33%
 
A wizard even wiser than Gandalf 21 14.00%
 
A zombified monkey 37 24.67%
 
A brute that can't tell left from right 36 24.00%
 
Something less extreme than the above 30 20.00%
 
Total:150
pezus said:

They sell pretty well for a year or so, but maybe the end of summer 2014 would be enough to see if it's possible? Btw, Declassified was just adjusted way up.

Then I say this. We give the next CoD half a year, if it's really close we extend it approprately.



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How is Declassified, a game with ZERO positive reviews, the second best selling Vita game?



pezus said:

Let's face it, Black Ops II has sold abysmally on Wii U but why is that? Some people say because it's a "late" port (by ~two weeks). Other people say it's because of the small userbase. Black Ops Vita has already sold 580k, yet it's an abysmal game (~30 score on Metacritic). Most people agree that WiiU should overtake Vita total hardware sales this year. But without further ado, here's what I think: The next WiiU CoD will not outsell this abysmal Vita CoD. This would be despite WiiU's much larger userbase (this holiday vs. Vita's userbase last holiday).

Since I see Declassified ending up with sales just above 700k or so (without more holiday bundles), this means I think WiiU CoD next won't sell more than 700k. Agree/Disagree?

Call of Duty Black Ops: Declassified sales: 0.58m
Call of Duty Black Ops II (WiiU) sales: 0.15m

Edit: Numbers adjusted (Declassified 130k up and CoD U 10k down or so)


Just to confirm what it sounds like... you're making a prediction of the next CoD title on the Wii U on the basis of... sales of the first one in its first 7 or so weeks? And then extrapolating that... how? What's your basis for this reasoning?

Making a prediction is entirely your prerogative, but if you're going to make a whole thread for it, you really need to back up your argument with something more solid than early sales figures, especially when comparing a launch title to a not-launch-title. Launch sales are different from sales at any other point in a console's life, including the holiday season for a system launched early in the year (that is, that holiday is different from launch sales).

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not actually arguing your prediction, so much as your method of justification. I disagree with your prediction, but I wouldn't make a thread about it, because there isn't sufficient sales evidence for the prediction that I'd make - it would be pure gut instinct.



pezus said:

Alright.

The bet: If the next CoD on WiiU launches at the same time as the others, and if Wii U has at least 150% of the Vita userbase by then, I think it won't outsell Blops: Declassified (Vita), but KungKras does. We'll wait until July 1, but the time limit can be extended if a winner can not be foreseen. 3 months of sig control are at stake.

Tell me if you would like to change something, and/or disagree with something

It's on!



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pezus said:
This is Call of Duty, so it's only really going to sell for a year or until the next one comes out. Even still, it isn't doing so hot, and has sold less than Declassified every single week since release. I know holiday sales are different, but I think we can all agree that Black Ops II on WiiU sold abysmally. Compare it to NSMBU. That's how much it should be selling based on franchise size, or at least 50% of its sales...

It's not pure gut instinct because Blops II shows us that CoD still doesn't sell well on Nintendo consoles and I'm predicting the same thing to happen to NextCod, except it should sell a bit better than this one but less than Declassified.

Call of Duty 3 shows that CoD can sell just as well on a Nintendo console as on the competing consoles, in theory. So yes, it's pure gut instinct.

And expecting it to sell as well as NSMB U is just ludicrous. NSMB U is the system-seller. It's an exclusive. If people want to play NSMB U, they have to buy a Wii U for it. On the other hand, Black Ops 2 is a multiplatform title - if you want to play BO2, and you have a 360 or a PS3, there is no need to get a Wii U for that specific game.

As a result, Wii U launch sales of Black Ops 2 are expected to be much lower than for NSMB U - because people buying a Wii U are much more likely to be doing it for an exclusive, like Nintendo Land, NSMB U, or ZombiU, than for Black Ops 2. So those games are the ones that early adopters will buy first. If people who buy a Wii U are going to buy Black Ops 2, then except for the hardcore that will buy more than one game for the system immediately, they will buy it at a later date.

Note that Call of Duty 3 for the Wii sold 262k in 2006, compared with 1.27 million for the 360 in 2006, yet the Wii version sold 2.17 million copies to the 360's 2.61 million. In other words, even though the 360 version had a much stronger start, the Wii closed the gap significantly. And as for the claim that CoD titles stop selling after the next one is released, I'll point out that CoD3 for the Wii sold over 300,000 copies in 2009. That's right - 2009. And in 2010, it nearly did it again. For comparison, the 360 saw only 160,000 copies sold in 2009, and less than 40,000 in 2010.

To make the case another way, CoD3 on the PS3 sold 1.37 million copies. In regions for which the system launched in 2006, it sold 134,000 copies in 2006. In Europe it sold more strongly at launch, which shouldn't surprise, with its first seven weeks representing another 143,000. Yet it still only sold that 1.37 million copies. But what happened with the next CoD on the PS3? Modern Warfare sold over 6 million copies on the PS3.



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cod on the vita should reach 1 mill while on the wii U I don't think the first 2 will reach that, the wii U isn't selling like the wii so games don't get pick up so easily when people don't really know what to buy



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

Hmm okay, I'm pretty much late here but here I have the ultimate reason about why CoD on WiiU isn't selling.

It all started with Black Ops on the Wii, players were expecting DLC from activision and treyarch, there was a store section and all in-game. But they never got any DLC and got stuck with 1 zombie map and the basic multiplayer maps.

Then came MW3, people started to get tired that they didn't provided DLC and daily patches to the console so they started to go into the HD versions. Sales went down.

Now with WiiU, Nuketown 2025 wasn't even available for people who purchased the game. 360, PS3 and PC started getting their first DLC not long ago, WiiU players got nothing again. Sales went down again.

Same thing will happen with the next CoD on WiiU. There's no way it'll sell better than 300k, blame Activision.
I have more hope for CoD on Vita since Nihilistic is gone



Great prediction. A lot of people fail at this thread solely because they were expecting Wii U to be as successful as Wii. From the recent COD numbers, It has no chance to be successful on a nintendo console for the rest of the gen.



Should've added "in 2013 sales" to make the thread even more exciting.



Nice prediction.