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timmah said:
runqvist said:
timmah said:
runqvist said:
osed125 said:
runqvist said:
Valid points. I agree with the author that Wii U will fail but it is not very likely that it would be the last nintendo home console. Only chance for that to happen would be msft buying majority of ntdoy, too bad that is just a pipe dream.

Didn't people said the same thing with the Wii? Anyway it will take far too long for Nintendo to go out of business, they have a lot of cash in reserve and zero debt, so yeah not going to happen unless they have like 2 consecutive failure gens. 


10.5b is not very much. That is less than msft profits in just 2 quarters. Ntdoy does not need to go out of business for a bigger company like msft to overtake them.


You're comparing apples to oranges here. It's a lot for a company like Nintendo since cash on hand should be compared to total operating cost.

I don't know if I should even bother to reply to this one.

10.5b is not much, since Nintendo's direct competitor makes double the amount in a year. Ninntendo could be bought by ms, if they really wanted to.


It's very simple and I'm not sure why you don't understand what I said. A company like MS is massive (over $70b/year I believe) and has a massive operating expense. They also do much more than just gaming (obviously). Nintendo on the other hand is a gaming-only company and is much smaller than Microsoft in both size and operating expense. While that would not seem like a ton of cash to Microsoft, it is more substantial to a smaller company like Nintendo, because it can sustain them longer given their lower operating cost. Dollar for dollar, Nintendo is in a very good position based on being debt-free and having much more than their annual earnings in cash on hand.

Let me put it to you this way. $50,000 in savings is huge to a family that only makes $50,000/year, but nothing to a family that earns $1,000,000 year. You have to look at the whole picture, not just the size of the number.


And what on earth does your rant have to do with the context of the post you decided to dump that on? Thanks for commenting about my understanding, it is appreciated since it is coming from you.



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JGarret said:
forest-spirit said:
The Wii U could be Nintendo's last traditional home console though. It wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo decides to go with some kind of home/portable console hybrid in the future, letting them put all their might behind a single platform.


We´ll see, but I don´t think they want to do that.

Their handhelds have always been more successful than their home consoles.

The Gameboy and the NDS sold better than every Nintendo home console ever made, and the GBA only 'lost' to the Wii.

The 3DS, while not coming close to its predecessor, will probably also sell better than the Wii U.


I don't think it'll happen, unless the Wii U becomes a giant money drain. The 3DS is already successful enough.

But if hell freezes over and Nintendo gets into some real trouble they'll probably bite back with a single platform strategy before even thinking about dropping their hardware business. So those wanting Nintendo games on their non-Nintendo platforms better have a lot of patience.



runqvist said:
timmah said:
runqvist said:
timmah said:
runqvist said:
osed125 said:
runqvist said:
Valid points. I agree with the author that Wii U will fail but it is not very likely that it would be the last nintendo home console. Only chance for that to happen would be msft buying majority of ntdoy, too bad that is just a pipe dream.

Didn't people said the same thing with the Wii? Anyway it will take far too long for Nintendo to go out of business, they have a lot of cash in reserve and zero debt, so yeah not going to happen unless they have like 2 consecutive failure gens. 


10.5b is not very much. That is less than msft profits in just 2 quarters. Ntdoy does not need to go out of business for a bigger company like msft to overtake them.


You're comparing apples to oranges here. It's a lot for a company like Nintendo since cash on hand should be compared to total operating cost.

I don't know if I should even bother to reply to this one.

10.5b is not much, since Nintendo's direct competitor makes double the amount in a year. Ninntendo could be bought by ms, if they really wanted to.


It's very simple and I'm not sure why you don't understand what I said. A company like MS is massive (over $70b/year I believe) and has a massive operating expense. They also do much more than just gaming (obviously). Nintendo on the other hand is a gaming-only company and is much smaller than Microsoft in both size and operating expense. While that would not seem like a ton of cash to Microsoft, it is more substantial to a smaller company like Nintendo, because it can sustain them longer given their lower operating cost. Dollar for dollar, Nintendo is in a very good position based on being debt-free and having much more than their annual earnings in cash on hand.

Let me put it to you this way. $50,000 in savings is huge to a family that only makes $50,000/year, but nothing to a family that earns $1,000,000 year. You have to look at the whole picture, not just the size of the number.


And what on earth does your rant have to do with the context of the post you decided to dump that on? Thanks for commenting about my understanding, it is appreciated since it is coming from you.

Not a rant, just trying to explain that you can't compare Microsoft to Nintendo directly because they are vastly different companies for a myriad of reasons, hence the 'apples to oranges' comment in my first post. If you wanted to actually compare apples to apples, you could compare Microsoft's Xbox gaming division to Nintendo over the past several years.



I love my wii u and use the gamepad as my primary browser even though I have a desktop, laptop, tablet and smart phone. I find it funny people calling it obsolete when we haven't even begun to see what it is capable of yet. I'm fairly sure a few ports of current generation games aren't the pinacle of wii u development.



http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/information/index.html
Here is the list of major stock holders. Yes Yamaguchi "only" has 10%, which is over 14 million shares or 1.4milion units. Which is currently worth, $1,475,052,118. Which means if anyone wants to forcibly take over the company they would have to pony up about $5.6billion. (But considering such moves will drive up stock prices the actual cost would be much more.)
The thing is you would have convince the minor independent shareholders some which hold Nintendo stock because they are Nintendo fans to sell their stock. The other major share holders you would have to offer more than the stock is worth since they are banks they are using the stocks as part of their portfolio, since Nintendo is one of the rare companies that still pay a dividen.

And they wouldn't be buying NTDOY stock they would be buying stock number 7974  off the Tokyo stock exchange. While NTDOY is Nintendo, it's not the actual stock. (I forget the technicality of it)



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I have a Wii U. I like it. I have fun playing with Nintendo Land and the other games I got, and due to the fact I play with the consoles instead of looking them on the shelves I din't noticed the plastic or any stupid fake issue. Those articles have nothing to do with journalism as Patcher has no contact point with a clever guy.



AstroMaSSi rules

I thought the reviewer's comments in the OP were a bit biased and silly. When you say things like that you really have to back it up. I thought the 2nd review (the "hothardware" one seth posted) was much fairer with both good points and bad and from the points he put across I would agree - the Wii U has a LOT of potential and may lead to touch controllers from MS and Sony (or vita/ps4 use) but it really isnt that well realised at the moment.

And no I dont believe this is nintendo's last console. Nintendo have been profitable even when they havent been selling great and imo the Wii U will probably return to profitability next year or so and all its future consoles will be the same. 



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runqvist said:
Mr Khan said:
runqvist said:

I don't know if I should even bother to reply to this one.

10.5b is not much, since Nintendo's direct competitor makes double the amount in a year. Ninntendo could be bought by ms, if they really wanted to.

Due to the huge stake old man Yamauchi still has in Nintendo stock, it would likely be impossible.

When he dies, perhaps...


Do you have a source for that information? Preferrably one which shows how much he owns today. Last one I remember seeing was that he owned 10% but that was in 2007.

Huh, i had assumed it was larger than that.

Still, Japanese companies are nigh-impossible to run a hostile takeover against, with the way investor relations are different in that country. Nintendo would have to be weakened to the point that they would be willing.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Haha, I remember when the N64 was gonna be the last console, then the Gamecube, then the Wii.. I guess eventually they'll be right...



Mr Khan said:
runqvist said:
Mr Khan said:
runqvist said:

I don't know if I should even bother to reply to this one.

10.5b is not much, since Nintendo's direct competitor makes double the amount in a year. Ninntendo could be bought by ms, if they really wanted to.

Due to the huge stake old man Yamauchi still has in Nintendo stock, it would likely be impossible.

When he dies, perhaps...


Do you have a source for that information? Preferrably one which shows how much he owns today. Last one I remember seeing was that he owned 10% but that was in 2007.

Huh, i had assumed it was larger than that.

Still, Japanese companies are nigh-impossible to run a hostile takeover against, with the way investor relations are different in that country. Nintendo would have to be weakened to the point that they would be willing.

I posted a link above while 10% doesn't seem to be that much it is still over 14million shares. And as for his death it depends on the will, he could return the share back to the company to bequife them all to someone, I doubt they will find their way back into the market.