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Kynes on 01 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

Because liberal and conservative are defined by the era in which they lived. Liberals fight to advance and conservatives to retain, but advance towards what and retain what are the questions. Few enough conservatives in countries are advocates of absolute monarchies anymore, for instance, while liberals fought for free trade and industrialization when those were the radical new things.

Which is why it's a stupid paradigm. The opposite of conservative is not liberal; it's radical. And the opposite of liberal is illiberal, not conservative.

I'd define radical as pushing for significant change, no matter which direction. Radical Islamists could certainly be deemed radicals, but are certainly no friends of the Left.

But most of the left in Europe sympathize with them.



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green_sky on 01 January 2013

- Only reviews that state that they are "unbiased" in title are to be taken seriously.

- It's more important to talk about games than to play them.

- "We need to talk about this" threads are just a smart way of relishing in a game's weak sales because it is on rival platform.




Mr Khan on 01 January 2013
Kynes said:
Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

Because liberal and conservative are defined by the era in which they lived. Liberals fight to advance and conservatives to retain, but advance towards what and retain what are the questions. Few enough conservatives in countries are advocates of absolute monarchies anymore, for instance, while liberals fought for free trade and industrialization when those were the radical new things.

Which is why it's a stupid paradigm. The opposite of conservative is not liberal; it's radical. And the opposite of liberal is illiberal, not conservative.

I'd define radical as pushing for significant change, no matter which direction. Radical Islamists could certainly be deemed radicals, but are certainly no friends of the Left.

But most of the left in Europe sympathize with them.

That is simply untrue. While the European left has lost touch with the desire for social engineering, and with it the drive to enforce social liberalism on muslim immigrants, at the same time they in no way support the agenda of the jihadists.



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badgenome on 01 January 2013
Mr Khan said:

I'd define radical as pushing for significant change, no matter which direction. Radical Islamists could certainly be deemed radicals, but are certainly no friends of the Left.

Sure. But my point is it doesn't make sense to say that the "conservative" position on, say, guns is to have unrestricted ownership of firearms (which we don't have) so the "liberal" position is restrictionist - just because liberalism has become conflated with leftism. The words do have meanings.

And I'd second what Kynes said. Islamists may not be friends of the left, but a good chunk of the left are useful idiot friends of the Islamists.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 01 January 2013

yea strange isn't it.



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NintendoPie on 01 January 2013
green_sky said:
- Only reviews that state that they are "unbiased" in title are to be taken seriously.

- It's more important to talk about games than to play them.


This man speaks the absolute truth! I noticed tha while bing super active on this site I practically stopped playing video games. VGC takes away our soules...!



Kynes on 01 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
Kynes said:
Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

Because liberal and conservative are defined by the era in which they lived. Liberals fight to advance and conservatives to retain, but advance towards what and retain what are the questions. Few enough conservatives in countries are advocates of absolute monarchies anymore, for instance, while liberals fought for free trade and industrialization when those were the radical new things.

Which is why it's a stupid paradigm. The opposite of conservative is not liberal; it's radical. And the opposite of liberal is illiberal, not conservative.

I'd define radical as pushing for significant change, no matter which direction. Radical Islamists could certainly be deemed radicals, but are certainly no friends of the Left.

But most of the left in Europe sympathize with them.

That is simply untrue. While the European left has lost touch with the desire for social engineering, and with it the drive to enforce social liberalism on muslim immigrants, at the same time they in no way support the agenda of the jihadists.

Wake up, Mr Kahn. I'm not saying they support the agenda of the jihadists, I say that they sympathize with them and they understand and try to justify what they do. As Badgenome says, useful idiot friends of the Islamists.



sethnintendo on 01 January 2013
NintendoPie said:
green_sky said:
- Only reviews that state that they are "unbiased" in title are to be taken seriously.

- It's more important to talk about games than to play them.


This man speaks the absolute truth! I noticed tha while bing super active on this site I practically stopped playing video games. VGC takes away our soules...!

It is like WoW



NintendoPie on 01 January 2013
sethnintendo said:
NintendoPie said:
green_sky said:
- Only reviews that state that they are "unbiased" in title are to be taken seriously.

- It's more important to talk about games than to play them.


This man speaks the absolute truth! I noticed tha while bing super active on this site I practically stopped playing video games. VGC takes away our soules...!

It is like WoW

Even though I've never played the game, I've seen the outcome of Some of WoW's members... I agree...



Kantor on 01 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
Kantor said:
The word "fan" is fine, it's just a description. "Fanboy" is an insult.

Just like "liberal/conservative" are fine, but "libtard/conservatard" are not.

And I don't think anyone honestly knows what the word liberal means anymore because it's changed so much over the last couple of centuries. I suppose I'm a Peelite liberal but most American liberals don't know who Robert Peel is, and if they did they would disagree with him on everything.

Because liberal and conservative are defined by the era in which they lived. Liberals fight to advance and conservatives to retain, but advance towards what and retain what are the questions. Few enough conservatives in countries are advocates of absolute monarchies anymore, for instance, while liberals fought for free trade and industrialization when those were the radical new things.

Well I can see that definition of conservative being sensible, but not that definition of liberal. Liberal can only possibly mean desiring freedom. Gun control is certainly not a liberal position. And American conservatives certainly don't just want to maintain the status quo.

Indeed, it's difficult to think of a word that would describe each side, since neither side actually has any consistent ideology tying them together. I suppose Democrats could be contentists, meaning they want to maximise contentment, but Republicans... nothing. The same people who want a free market want the state to be able to police morality in a context where nobody is harmed.



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