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dahuman on 27 December 2012
zero129 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I hunt and fish which means I kill animals myself, cut them up, cook them and eat them. When I grew up my parents would raise a steer or a heifer for a year or two and then slaughter it. I helped take care of it and then I helped slaughter it. The beef I eat comes from a local farm and is humanly slaughtered. I know where my meat comes from and I am well aware of nature of life and death. Animals aren't people so your alien analogy falls completely flat.

With that said, I don't approve of the mistreatment of animals that big corporations cause.

However, nothing will stop me from enjoying meat. An hour long propaganda piece on meat isn't going to "open my eye" or make me rethink anything. We are all part of the same ecco-system and circle of life. We earned the right to be at the top of the food chain. Animals are rightfully our food and we are the stewards of the ecco-system that we climbed to the top of. Animal abuse and neglect disgusts me, but local ranchers here in Oregon don't mistreat their animals.

My advice to you is to buy locally sourced meat products from trusted small businesses. Go to a butcher for meat instead of Safeway. Ask where it came from and if the butcher can't tell you the rancher's name go to another butcher.

Fight animal abuse not meat eaters.

I just hope if aliens ever do decide to visit us they dont think like you in the bolded parts.

As for the rest its good you at least care how the animals are killed xD.

The difference is you can bet your ass that humans won't go down without a fight if such a ridiculous scenerio were to occur. The truth is that even if I wanted to, I can't change how farmers want to treat "their" properties, I can tell you that I wouldn't treat "my" live stocks like shit if I was a farmer, but I also won't fault them for treating theirs like shit because it's really none of my god damned business.



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Max King of the Wild on 27 December 2012
PrimeBigTime said:
Max King of the Wild said:
PrimeBigTime said:
 

 

you know soy based diet is bad for you right?


I'm not recommending a "soy-based" diet.  Yes, soy in large amounts contains enough estrogen to have a negative effect on males, however, the studies show that those with these side effects were consuming a significant amount of soy (studies show that those affected were consuming 3 quarts / day for three years).  I'm not recommending that, and at that point you are getting into paranoia mode.  Remember saccharin, ephedra?  Even vitamin A and E.  Same idea.  You can supplement your diet with other nuts and legumes to get a complete protein.  Heck you could just drink protein shakes for a 99% efficient (able to be catabolized) protein.

well thats good that you know that which makes my next point easily made. You are talking about limiting soy intake for a healthy diet... however, the heart disease from eating meat is mostly because these people eat cheeseburgers for breakfast lunch and dinner.. Basically if you limit your meat intake like you are suppose to you can be just as healthy as the vegan.

Also, since you know about foo studies you should probablly check the one out about blood type... I didn't do my research on it but my classmate did. She is a biology/math major and apparently meat is better for certain blood types.



Max King of the Wild on 27 December 2012
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
dahuman said:
PrimeBigTime said:
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No your not, T-Rex was a full predator your just a selfish human being like the rest of us, except it seems you have no moral.

there you go wiy=th those fallacies again.

And to explain like you asked me to I'm talking about logical fallacies and arguments. You don't have a sound argument... nor a valid one

I have giving very sound arguments to the answers or questions i have been asked, no one has tried to say im wrong yet with proof.


Please take a logic course.



dahuman on 27 December 2012
zero129 said:
dahuman said:
zero129 said:
dahuman said:
PrimeBigTime said:
dahuman said:
Some people just have too much time on their hands, if he grew up hungry as shit then he'll eat whatever he can get his hands on including all the meats! :) I'm also pro-cannibalism if we have nothing left to eat for survival for as long as it's fully cooked. The problem is also if all we eat only plants and don't touch animals, we'd run into another problem which would result in overall lower vegetation on the planet which would fuck our human eco system which would end result in pro-hunting and meat eating lol. I think we have a pretty good balance so far.

You'll also excuse me if I don't care about cows being raped by metal insertions if it gives people jobs and give grown ups something to drink since we don't exactly want to suck on our women's tits after they got a baby in them, goat milk is better than cow milk BTW, we should just go that route in the masses IMO.


I understand people's desire to eat meat but with mass production, little thought is given to animal welfare.  We've gone too far with the torture and suffering of animals.  With our technological know-how we can alleviate the suffering, and people can still have their meat and dairy.  Unfortunately it's people like you who say "I don't care about..." that make the problem worse.  That's the number one problem of socity today (selfishness, arrogance, greed...)


hahahahaha, they are not humans, they are our food stock, have you ever looked at a piece of chocolate and go "poor trees, I hope they didn't chop you down like a piece of trash and then gets processed into this tasty powder with the end result of the sweet thick nectar that's about to go into my mouth!" A facility like you are describing requires a lot of money and maintenance, people wouldn't be able to make a profit that way and the prices would sky rocket and fuck our economy even further, it's non-sensical. I don't care if it's animals or plants, I'll consume them so I can live, I was taught to leave no food behind because I was raised by after-war people and not the US where wars haven't existed since the mid 1800s. I know the value of food, and I'm a full predator.

No your not, T-Rex was a full predator your just a selfish human being like the rest of us, except it seems you have no moral.

That's where you are wrong, if I see you getting attacked by wild animals, I'll gun their asses down for you then eat their asses if it's legal hunting season. If I see you getting robbed, I'll call 911 or find a cop for you. I'm on your side, the question is, whose side are you on? You inhumane weirdo.

Im on everyones side

By everyone, you better mean the good people who care about other human beings, and not farm animals or cockroaches and shit, you can of course care about your pets though, I can totally see deep attachments on that front, but live stock? pffft, just like any profitable coporation man.



Ji99saw on 27 December 2012
PrimeBigTime said:
Ji99saw said:
Meat has essential vitamins and nutrients. Barbaric it is indeed but as is nature, I can show a hour video of animals eating other animals in the wild to the same effect as this video that does not mean animals should become vegetarians too, does it?


Your statement is misleading.  Yes meat has essential vitamins and nutrients, however, all those nutrients can also be had from grains, legumes, vegetables, etc. Did you know that beef is only 55% efficient as a protein? That means for every 20 grams of beef you eat you are only using 11 of those grams of protein and the rest goes to waste.

Also, soy is considered a "complete" protein meaning it has the 9 essential amino acids your body cannot create itself, just like meat.

Finally, it's been shown that a vegan diet is most effective in decreasing the effects of diabetes, even beyond the FDA recommended diet for people with type 2 diabetes.  Studies have shown that after 6 months, a high percentage of people on a vegan diet were able to significantly decrease or even stop their insulin injections.  Important information since just about everyone in the US knows someone with diabetes.

There is nothing misleading about it. Put it this way do you think Cro-magnon ever cared that he could possibly no kill animals? Do you believe that in regions where all they have is live stock have the knowledge or resources to go all Soy diet? Not to even mention the negative effects Soy diet.



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dahuman on 27 December 2012
Wagram said:
One thing i've always found hilarious is the double standard we as humans have towards animals. It's fine to slaughter hoards, beyond hoards of animals for consumption or sport. However if one animal attacks a human. Oh that bitch has to die. Simply unacceptable.


what double standard? we do the second part to humans from different belief systems or countries too.



dahuman on 27 December 2012

BTW, since this is kind of a healthy eating thread as well since we are slowly derailing, I recommend about 2-3 cloves of crushed raw garlic a day, and eat it about 10 minutes after it's crushed or cut up, you can build up your immune system like a fucking truck that way, that method lowers your cholesterol levels, gives you a natural source for antibiotics(pretty much won't get sick), maintains your blood pressure, has a shit ton of vitamins, prevents cancer, and best yet, is toxic to your dogs and cats. Garlic is the shiz!



Max King of the Wild on 27 December 2012
zero129 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
zero129 said:
 

I just hope if aliens ever do decide to visit us they dont think like you in the bolded parts.

As for the rest its good you at least care how the animals are killed xD.

I will say it again. Your alien analogy falls flat.

I'll illustrate it with a question:

A scuba diver is eaten Shark and a man eats a hamburger. Which is the greater tragedy?

The man eating the hamburger. Well the scuba divers life would of been a great loss on the grand scale of things both loses where bad. but the shark is a carnivor and will eat meat no matter what type its in their system, well the human eating the hamburger choose to do so.

Basicly in a world where we are meant to be the only animals that "Knows" right from wrong we sure do alot of wrong and to things we see as less powerful then us.

Didnt we outlaw racism cos of this? The white man, or people with money used to think it was ok to inslave and capture other humans as long as they where not white? or the same as them?. so yeah my alien analogy doesnt fall flat. Cos as long as people think its ok to be so crual and bad to a lesser species we have no reason to think a more advanced species then us wouldnt think the same way.

I mean wouldnt it suck if Karma came around to bite us in the ass and we ended up getting captued and taking over by aliens and breed and used as livestock for them?. like they only see us as lesser animals so its in their right to do what they want with us.

Also no one here i dont think have even watched the video -_- .



there you go again... first you need to prove its wrong. which youve failed to do so far



dahuman on 27 December 2012
zero129 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
zero129 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I hunt and fish which means I kill animals myself, cut them up, cook them and eat them. When I grew up my parents would raise a steer or a heifer for a year or two and then slaughter it. I helped take care of it and then I helped slaughter it. The beef I eat comes from a local farm and is humanly slaughtered. I know where my meat comes from and I am well aware of nature of life and death. Animals aren't people so your alien analogy falls completely flat.

With that said, I don't approve of the mistreatment of animals that big corporations cause.

However, nothing will stop me from enjoying meat. An hour long propaganda piece on meat isn't going to "open my eye" or make me rethink anything. We are all part of the same ecco-system and circle of life. We earned the right to be at the top of the food chain. Animals are rightfully our food and we are the stewards of the ecco-system that we climbed to the top of. Animal abuse and neglect disgusts me, but local ranchers here in Oregon don't mistreat their animals.

My advice to you is to buy locally sourced meat products from trusted small businesses. Go to a butcher for meat instead of Safeway. Ask where it came from and if the butcher can't tell you the rancher's name go to another butcher.

Fight animal abuse not meat eaters.

I just hope if aliens ever do decide to visit us they dont think like you in the bolded parts.

As for the rest its good you at least care how the animals are killed xD.

I will say it again. Your alien analogy falls flat.

I'll illustrate it with a question:

A scuba diver is eaten Shark and a man eats a hamburger. Which is the greater tragedy?

The man eating the hamburger. Well the scuba divers life would of been a great loss on the grand scale of things both loses where bad. but the shark is a carnivor and will eat meat no matter what type its in their system, well the human eating the hamburger choose to do so.

Basicly in a world where we are meant to be the only animals that "Knows" right from wrong we sure do alot of wrong and to things we see as less powerful then us.

Didnt we outlaw racism cos of this? The white man, or people with money used to think it was ok to inslave and capture other humans as long as they where not white? or the same as them?. so yeah my alien analogy doesnt fall flat. Cos as long as people think its ok to be so crual and bad to a lesser species we have no reason to think a more advanced species then us wouldnt think the same way.

I mean wouldnt it suck if Karma came around to bite us in the ass and we ended up getting captued and taking over by aliens and breed and used as livestock for them?. like they only see us as lesser animals so its in their right to do what they want with us.

Also no one here i dont think have even watched the video -_- .

That video is not new, how do you think I know about the metal raping insertion devices to get babies outta those things? :P We can only be on equal terms if we have the same fighting power, that has never changed, if we are the weak, we might end up as live stocks or entertainment to a more powerful race unless we can prove to be on the same fighting ground or surpass them, survival of the fittest as usual, nothing new here really.



betacon on 27 December 2012

It’s a ridiculous argument stating we as humans don’t need meat without meat we wouldn’t be where we are today, we are an omnivore animal we don’t choice this nor are we the only animal to be one. It’s easy to show clips of mistreated animals going to slaughter, but the majority of animals in developed countries is quick and clean, I’m pretty sure a little lamb would rather a fox rips its intestines out on the grass and dragged back to the foxes den. Can we live without meat.. yea but you can guarantee someone with a mix diet would be the healthier human this in it self, more then suggest we need meat.