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bananaking21 said:
Areym said:
I'm going to make the giant assumption that developers or engineers or whatnot are in it for the money, for the most part.


what? are you saying that developers and engineers want to make money and make a living? i thought they just loved making games and want to make them for free?!


There is a giant difference in making a shit ton of money by any means and making money to live comfortably doing what you love. At least, I see it that way.



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Erm...you are aware that the Wii U has a completely new architecture, right..? And it's going to have a very similar architecture to the PS4 and 720..? That's why developers have had problems porting PS3/360 titles to the Wii U, it's going to be a great deal easier for developers to port between the Wii U/PS4/720 than it is currently between the Wii U/PS3/360.

And if you think that developers aren't in it for the money then you're living in Cloud Cuckoo-Land lol.

By the time the PS4 and 720 are released the Wii U will have an installed userbase between 10 and 15m in all liklihood, publioshers aren't going to ignore it...and development on the Wii U is going to be a great deal cheaper then development on the PS4 and 720 thanks to Nintendo giving developers tens of thousands of pounds worth of middleware, an IDE and Unity 4 engine free with every dev kit. And then you've got to take the eShop into account which gives developers a bigger cut than the PS3 and 360 shops and has less restrictions, so indie developers are going to be all over it.

The Wii U is going to have no problems with third party support this gen, both from publishers and from indie developers. They've pretty much done everything right.



BasilZero said:
Areym said:
bananaking21 said:
Areym said:
I'm going to make the giant assumption that developers or engineers or whatnot are in it for the money, for the most part.


what? are you saying that developers and engineers want to make money and make a living? i thought they just loved making games and want to make them for free?!


There is a giant difference in making a shit ton of money by any means and making money to live comfortably doing what you love. At least, I see it that way.

Unfortunately the industry is going towards the "Making shit ton of money by any means", especially with the introduction to DLCs, hell even Nintendo is doing it now even if it is by small scale.

and thus we look back at the last 5/6 years of Call of Duty and locked-content on discs.



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

A lot of people is worried about Wii U's 3rd party support, mmm... Is that much of a problem that a next generation console doesn't have plenty of current generation games? i remember saying this some time ago -Start worrying if Wii U doesn't get the late 2014->2015 multiplats, not now- right now we can't be certain of anything, all we can do is wait. What if we die tomorrow? just enjoy times and please stop talking about -what could be- like if it was happening right now, it's not.



Yep I can't see the WiiU even doing half as well as the wii did :/



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BasilZero said:
Areym said:
BasilZero said:
Areym said:
bananaking21 said:
Areym said:
I'm going to make the giant assumption that developers or engineers or whatnot are in it for the money, for the most part.


what? are you saying that developers and engineers want to make money and make a living? i thought they just loved making games and want to make them for free?!


There is a giant difference in making a shit ton of money by any means and making money to live comfortably doing what you love. At least, I see it that way.

Unfortunately the industry is going towards the "Making shit ton of money by any means", especially with the introduction to DLCs, hell even Nintendo is doing it now even if it is by small scale.

and thus we look back at the last 5/6 years of Call of Duty and locked-content on discs.

Yep that too and the HD remakes of yesteryear games.

Well, I am guilty on the later. The Jak and Daxter collection was awesome to revisit (granted I rented it thru gamefly)

Next stop is the Rachet and clank collection.



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

The WiiU has new architecture and relies on GPU more than CPU the other 2 new consoles will follow the same route (since a GPU always has a better  power/price ratio) so I see no problem with "maintaning old code" because ther WiiU actually needs a new aproach  the "old code" will die with PS3 and 360 in a few years.

The WiiU right now has a small problem since all the games are optimized for totally different consoles. The WiiU is the Alien right now.



M.U.G.E.N said:
LilChicken22 said:
Wii U will get most of Japanese third party support and thats good enough for me (and Japan). I'm personally done with all the glitchy graphicsfocussed games and realized Japanese games are the only one with actual gameplay. Japan will realise the development cost are way to high for the PS4 because the main focus will be graphical power and therefore make games for Wii U and 3DS. The same is happening with 3DS/Vita right now. Nintendo already took over Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter and Bayonetta. This may only be the beginning.

Also: the Japanese market is WAY larger en profitable than the western countries.


hahahha thanks for that. I needed a good laugh after this depressing day

So you think Japanese developers are constantly making their original PSVita game a 3DS exclusive for fun? I don't believe in such coincidence. Sony is only focussing on the western market with games such as Uncharted, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed and LBP and again, those games only sell in Europe/America. Nintendo hasn't forgotten about the Japanese market and 3DS is now a huge succes in Japan by having GREAT exclusives (Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, Monster Hunter, Bravely Default). Sony doesn't care about the Japanese market anymore. The same will probably happen to the PS4/Wii U like the PSVita/3DS in Japan now.



"You have two major options, either you maintain old code and port the Wii U or you can work on completely new architectures and take on new challenges so which one do you pick?"

This makes no sense. The Wii U has a new architecture, not the same as the Xbox 360 and PS3. That is why developers have had problems porting games to it. The next gen will have an architecture similar to the Wii U.



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I don't see it. Wii U third-party support is better at launch than Wii third-party support was for much of its lifetime.



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