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ElPresidente7 on 10 December 2012
Carl2291 said:
Said it a while back that the WiiU was destined to have a poor start if it was similar to PS360. And that Sony/Microsoft eouldnt need to react in a major way.

Like it or not, a huge portion of gamers see the Wii as a mid-gen machine. The WiiU will have the public perception that its a console in the PS3/360 generation.

Why? Look at the games. Look at them.

What games are there that makes it stand out from the last generation? Assassin's Cre- oh. Call of Du- oh. New Super Mario Br- oh.

Look at what Wii, PS3 and 360 had at least hyped at launch. Wii Sport. Killzone 2. Gears of War. Compare those games to PS2 games and the difference is absolutely huge in either gameplay or how it looks. They simply looked next gen. There is next to nothing that differentiates the WiiU from last gen consoles. Its more of the same from Nintendo and the 3rd party offerings are already established franchises on platforms the public sees as equal.

The gamepad doesnt have impact even half of what the Wiimote did. It doesnt have a hard graphical impact like Gears and Killzone. The gamepad isnt a game changer, like the Wiimote. Its more of a game-enhancer.


While i agree hat many people have that perception of the Wii u right now, I think it will change once people see exclusive games like pikmin or wonderful 101. It also remains to be seen if xbox720/ps4 will provide a major graphical upgrade that pursues people into buying them. I'm really sceptical concerning this point.



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mai on 10 December 2012
sergiodaly said:
Conegamer said:
I agree with you here; and in addition I feel as though any next-gen system launching higher than $399 is just asking for failure. It will not be a repeat of this gen, certainly not for the first few years, that is for sure.

@bold [irony] yes because in these days, 600$ tablets are a huge failure, so 400$ consoles will never have a chance. also the new console had 2 SKUs, and the one that sold the most is definitely the cheapest... [/irony]

@OP yes? like xbox 360, PS3 and wii were hurt by the huge success of PS2? each generation its the same all over again... the old ones start to sell poorly and the new ones are much more expensive but people buy them because the old ones were, how can i say this, OLD.

Tablets (and any multi-purpose piece of electronics) hold more value for mass consumer compared against more or less dedicated game consoles, which are more likely to be exluded from family budget if there're constrains.

Since I do not expect people to spend more on gaming (adjusted for inflation), chances are next generation indeed might have problems selling at all, unless it's cheap or will immensely raise its value for consumer in some way.



o_O.Q on 10 December 2012

i agree, which is why i've been thinking for a while now that they should postpone next gen until they can deliver consoles that offer a massive leap at a reasonable cost
the current consoles are still selling and even now we're still seeing untapped potential within them



chapset on 10 December 2012

well, Sony and Microsoft will still have the option to kill their system if they affect so badly the next gen hardware sell, It's not like Sony is making ton of money from the ps3 sales and Microsoft make most of their money from xbox live



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kitler53 on 10 December 2012
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. After seeing the impressive sales of PS3 and Xbox in November -- six or seven years after launch, mind you -- it started to dawn on me that the monumental success (and appeal) of these two HD consoles might seriously handicap the Wii U going forward. They each have a huge library of games, social applications, multimedia options, millions of users, etc.

But as I thought more and more about it, I came to the conclusion that the success and allure of PS3 and Xbox 360 might also seriously handicap PS4 and Xbox 720.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 were, in the words of Jerry Garcia, "built to last." Quite unlike the Wii. Which explains why Nintendo is launching its next-gen property, and probably should have done so sooner.

Many posters here and elsewhere assume that the PS4 and Xbox 720 will swing like a wrecking ball through the video game market when they arrive, but what if people see a $400 PS4 and a $500 Xbox 720 and compare them to a $300 PS3 and $250 Xbox 360, and choose the latter. Or simply choose neither, and continue to enjoy their seventh-generation consoles.

Just as Nintendo is punished for its success -- third-party games failing to sell in the shadow of its coveted first-party titles -- Microsoft and Sony might be punished for their success -- eighth-gen consoles selling poorly because their previous-gen consoles are so popular, so versatile, and so enduring.

won't happen because people play games not hardware.  nintendo is no longer making games for wii.  soon MSony and third party won't be making games for ps360.  when that happens people will move on because they have to. 



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sergiodaly on 10 December 2012
mai said:
sergiodaly said:
Conegamer said:
I agree with you here; and in addition I feel as though any next-gen system launching higher than $399 is just asking for failure. It will not be a repeat of this gen, certainly not for the first few years, that is for sure.

@bold [irony] yes because in these days, 600$ tablets are a huge failure, so 400$ consoles will never have a chance. also the new console had 2 SKUs, and the one that sold the most is definitely the cheapest... [/irony]

@OP yes? like xbox 360, PS3 and wii were hurt by the huge success of PS2? each generation its the same all over again... the old ones start to sell poorly and the new ones are much more expensive but people buy them because the old ones were, how can i say this, OLD.

Tablets (and any multi-purpose piece of electronics) hold more value for mass consumer compared against more or less dedicated game consoles, which are more likely to be exluded from family budget if there're constrains.

Since I do not expect people to spend more on gaming (adjusted for inflation), chances are next generation indeed might have problems selling at all, unless it's cheap or will immensely raise its value for consumer in some way.

tablets hold more value... true, but some guys did a survey and kids want ipads more than anything, and its not to set a route home in the maps application. its for games. parents do buy them, and justify the cost because of the "multi-purpose" nature of tablets, but that is also valid for consoles, they are not just a game consoles anymore.

the expensive consoles of this gen sold 140 millions against the half price leader sitting at 98 millions, gamers are serious about this hobby. the 399 PS4/xbox3 will do fine... i think they will be 449 or 499 and still do just fine. the majority of whining gamers about expensive consoles are the ones that had them as gift as young children and has now to pay them with their own money. Consoles were always a costly piece of entertainment.

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Kai Master on 10 December 2012

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kain_kusanagi on 10 December 2012

Don't worry about it. People always want the latest and greatest stuff. Consoles always have a burst and then a slow burn. Crazy fads like the Wii are far and few between.



biggamejames79 on 10 December 2012

I could see sales of the ps420 being slow at first because a person could get a ps360 at half the price with a huge dirt cheap game library, but as console prices drop over the years more and more people will upgrade. So I see decent sales at first with the usual amount of early adopters but both consoles having great legs as years go by, just like it happened this generation.