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Rafux on 27 November 2012
Adinnieken said:
What people want is Xperia Play + PS Vita w/32GB for $249.99 subsidized (with a contract).

Take the power of the PS Vita, combined with the telephony capabilities of the Xperia Play. The ability to play PS Vita games, PSP games, and Android games. The availability of Android apps. Multiple carriers. Two thumb sticks. Two shoulder buttons and two trigger buttons. The ability to get all their current digital games on the new device, a way to play old UMD-based games, and a easy means to transfer licenses from one device to another.

Create a service provided by Best Buy or GameStop where a customer brings in their UMD-based game, gets it digitally transferred and keyed to their account and device, then they take possession of and destroy the disc. In the process the user also gets a digital license for the game so in the future they can download it again if anything happens to it.

Simple.

But they can't put Android on vita, it would open a giant door to piracy and it would also means less profit since for exmaple people would buy Angry Birds for 0.99$ from the Android Store instead of 3$ from the PSN Store. Battery life would be even lower if they make it a smarphone and with a phone design they would probably put analog nubs.

Not so simple.



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Turkish on 27 November 2012

Better announce that 64GB card sony



Adinnieken on 27 November 2012
Rafux said:
Adinnieken said:
What people want is Xperia Play + PS Vita w/32GB for $249.99 subsidized (with a contract).

Take the power of the PS Vita, combined with the telephony capabilities of the Xperia Play. The ability to play PS Vita games, PSP games, and Android games. The availability of Android apps. Multiple carriers. Two thumb sticks. Two shoulder buttons and two trigger buttons. The ability to get all their current digital games on the new device, a way to play old UMD-based games, and a easy means to transfer licenses from one device to another.

Create a service provided by Best Buy or GameStop where a customer brings in their UMD-based game, gets it digitally transferred and keyed to their account and device, then they take possession of and destroy the disc. In the process the user also gets a digital license for the game so in the future they can download it again if anything happens to it.

Simple.

But they can't put Android on vita, it would open a giant door to piracy and it would also means less profit since for exmaple people would buy Angry Birds for 0.99$ from the Android Store instead of 3$ from the PSN Store. Battery life would be even lower if they make it a smarphone and with a phone design they would probably put analog nubs.

Not so simple.

The simple reference was somewhat of a joke.  I imagine it's a lot more complex than even you made it out to be.

Wihtout knowing what the OS of the Vita is, it's difficult to say how difficult it would be.  If the OS is based on a Linux kernel, then it's entirely possible it wouldn't be so impossible. 

The biggest challenge is the CPU and GPU, not the OS.  There are emulators for PSP games on Android, so I'm sure Sony would be able to create one if they based the OS on Android.  Depending on the root OS, which my guess is Linux-based, it would be possible for Sony to customize Android in such a way that it was code compatible.  If the OS is truly proprietary and not code compatible with a Linux variant, it may require a bit more work but I would imagine Sony could create stubs for PSV games to make them code compatible.  Therefore, instead of running the game directly from the PSV card, it would launch from a stub downloaded and stored on the 32GB of storage.  The stub actually is a recompiled game .exe that uses all the assets on the PSV card as well as any code compatible game files.

I don't quite get why Android couldn't be made to be secure, preventing piracy.  The way to prevent piracy is the prevent users from being able to get under the UI to the guts of the OS.  If Microsoft is capable of releasing publiclly an SDK for their phone OS which includes an OS emulator, as well as offering games for the OS, then I'm sure Sony can. 

Just because it's based on an Open Source kernal doesn't make Android less secure.   I'm sure Google would be willing to allow Sony to make alterations to the OS to make it more secure and prevent piracy if the means don't already exist.  It's certainly easier to start with a competent OS than to try to grow one from the ground up.   CP/M begot MS-DOS, which begot Windows 9x.  Likewise, CP/M begot DR-DOS, which begot Novell NetWare.   DEC VMS begot Windows NT, Unix begot Linux, which begot Android, BSD begot NeXTSTEP, which begot OS X.   There were a host of Unix variants, such as IBM AIX.  

Oh dear, people would have to charge their device more often OR Sony could make a larger battery or more efficient device.  Seriously?  Battery life?  Do you ever read battery news?  By the time they released the thing, newer more efficient batteries would be available.  Just wait, you'll hear about them.  A Lithium battery the same size as before will offer 10 times the battery life with the same size and number of cells.  All because they have air holes in them.  Yes, 10 times.  No joke.  In case your math is bad, that would be between 30 and 90 hours, depending on what you're doing.  Is that enough time for you?  Ok.

As for price, users will have to decide if they want all the features a PSV game offers versus an Android game if both are available.  Maybe force developers to include things like Trophies so the games have more value?  I don't know, I'm just shooting from the hip. 

So lets go through your checklist of things that make this impossible and the ones I've solved problems for:

Game compatibility:  Check
Piracy:  Check
Battery Life:  Check +
Game Price v. Value:  Check



Euphoria14 on 27 November 2012

Let the 3G model just die already...

Should have been WiFi Vita, LBP Vita retail copy, 3-months PS+, 4GB card for $219.99 and run it through the holidays. $300 is too much, especially for Unit 13 being the pack in title, not to mention a digital version to go with just a 4GB stick.



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loy310 on 27 November 2012

Way too expensive, WTH is Sony thinking?
No way it will sell.



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IamAwsome on 27 November 2012
Turkish said:
Better announce that 64GB card sony

$150, and 60 percent of that price is pure markup. 



Rafux on 27 November 2012
Adinnieken said:
Rafux said:
Adinnieken said:
What people want is Xperia Play + PS Vita w/32GB for $249.99 subsidized (with a contract).

Take the power of the PS Vita, combined with the telephony capabilities of the Xperia Play. The ability to play PS Vita games, PSP games, and Android games. The availability of Android apps. Multiple carriers. Two thumb sticks. Two shoulder buttons and two trigger buttons. The ability to get all their current digital games on the new device, a way to play old UMD-based games, and a easy means to transfer licenses from one device to another.

Create a service provided by Best Buy or GameStop where a customer brings in their UMD-based game, gets it digitally transferred and keyed to their account and device, then they take possession of and destroy the disc. In the process the user also gets a digital license for the game so in the future they can download it again if anything happens to it.

Simple.

But they can't put Android on vita, it would open a giant door to piracy and it would also means less profit since for exmaple people would buy Angry Birds for 0.99$ from the Android Store instead of 3$ from the PSN Store. Battery life would be even lower if they make it a smarphone and with a phone design they would probably put analog nubs.

Not so simple.

The simple reference was somewhat of a joke.  I imagine it's a lot more complex than even you made it out to be.

Wihtout knowing what the OS of the Vita is, it's difficult to say how difficult it would be.  If the OS is based on a Linux kernel, then it's entirely possible it wouldn't be so impossible. 

The biggest challenge is the CPU and GPU, not the OS.  There are emulators for PSP games on Android, so I'm sure Sony would be able to create one if they based the OS on Android.  Depending on the root OS, which my guess is Linux-based, it would be possible for Sony to customize Android in such a way that it was code compatible.  If the OS is truly proprietary and not code compatible with a Linux variant, it may require a bit more work but I would imagine Sony could create stubs for PSV games to make them code compatible.  Therefore, instead of running the game directly from the PSV card, it would launch from a stub downloaded and stored on the 32GB of storage.  The stub actually is a recompiled game .exe that uses all the assets on the PSV card as well as any code compatible game files.

I don't quite get why Android couldn't be made to be secure, preventing piracy.  The way to prevent piracy is the prevent users from being able to get under the UI to the guts of the OS.  If Microsoft is capable of releasing publiclly an SDK for their phone OS which includes an OS emulator, as well as offering games for the OS, then I'm sure Sony can. 

Just because it's based on an Open Source kernal doesn't make Android less secure.   I'm sure Google would be willing to allow Sony to make alterations to the OS to make it more secure and prevent piracy if the means don't already exist.  It's certainly easier to start with a competent OS than to try to grow one from the ground up.   CP/M begot MS-DOS, which begot Windows 9x.  Likewise, CP/M begot DR-DOS, which begot Novell NetWare.   DEC VMS begot Windows NT, Unix begot Linux, which begot Android, BSD begot NeXTSTEP, which begot OS X.   There were a host of Unix variants, such as IBM AIX.  

Oh dear, people would have to charge their device more often OR Sony could make a larger battery or more efficient device.  Seriously?  Battery life?  Do you ever read battery news?  By the time they released the thing, newer more efficient batteries would be available.  Just wait, you'll hear about them.  A Lithium battery the same size as before will offer 10 times the battery life with the same size and number of cells.  All because they have air holes in them.  Yes, 10 times.  No joke.  In case your math is bad, that would be between 30 and 90 hours, depending on what you're doing.  Is that enough time for you?  Ok.

As for price, users will have to decide if they want all the features a PSV game offers versus an Android game if both are available.  Maybe force developers to include things like Trophies so the games have more value?  I don't know, I'm just shooting from the hip. 

So lets go through your checklist of things that make this impossible and the ones I've solved problems for:

Game compatibility:  Check
Piracy:  Check
Battery Life:  Check +
Game Price v. Value:  Check

You haven't solve anything, all you wrote is whishful thinking.  Sony will, Sony should, in the future...

Why don't you send Sony a letter and give those guys a clue, I'm sure Sony enginners and doctors have failed but you hold the answer to piracy problems. 

And people paying three times the price of an app just for thropies? oh boy.



Chandler on 27 November 2012

Stop shitting on Unit 13 guys, it's actually one of the better games the system has.



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ethomaz on 27 November 2012

The problem is not the price...

Plus + 4G??? Come on Sony!!!



Dodece on 27 November 2012

How many times are we going to have this discussion. Sony is simply not going to offer retail price relief. Their only strategy is going to be finding a way to sell the Vita at its current price point. In other words your going to pay that price and like it, because until the machine sells enough units that price isn't going anywhere. Sony is in bad financial straights, and it can't be selling its electronics at steep losses anymore.

There are a number of people on these forums who have explained this to you over and over again. What is it going to take before this starts to sink in. Sony can't afford to be losing money, and they really want to find a way to make more money. Damn I feel like I am telling a child that Santa doesn't really exist. You aren't getting any price cuts. Can't you take a hint.



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