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MrBubbles on 15 November 2012
jonnybmk said:
Roma said:
jonnybmk said:
Judaism as a religion does not tell you to kill people that do not believe in it.

The murderous cult Islam does tell you to do that. How did it get the name "Religion of Peace"?

tell me how would you react if i came home to you and took what is yours and killed your family members? would you give me a flower and tell me kindly to stop or will you kill me?

Islam is a religion of piece but it is also a religion that promotes what is right and what is wrong. as i said in my previous post if someone takes something from you you have the right to take it back and if you see that as evil then how do you live your life? do you accept when people insult you? as someone said in a video once in an Islamic debate "i like it when people insult me" just so that he doesn't have to admit that what some people did was wrong.

Being peaceful does not mean you let people walk all over you and let them take what is yours!

If you killed my family, I would bring you to JUSTICE.

I would not rape your family members, cut their heads off, and drag their dead bodies through the streets.

The nature of Muslims is of evil. It has  nothing to do with justice or attaining peaceful outcomes. 

Well...muslims have been very advanced and progressive at some points throughout their history.   it certainly is a bit of a dark age for the religion currently.   so its probably not accurate to call it inherently evil



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Mr Khan on 15 November 2012

Okay, i've culled a few folks in this thread

And with that, let me say that while this thread does not merit closure (as this is a legitimate topic, and most of the folks here are being reasonable), some of y'all really need to stop saying offensive stuff.

I have a low tolerance for some of the BS the Israelis pull, but i do understand that they feel threatened. At the same time, one has to understand the ineffectual and corrupt nature of the "legitimate" Palestinian party, Fatah, and that Hamas, while murderous and violent, are also likely the more honest of the two. Radical Islam should be condemned, but one must understand where this sort of thing is coming from. Terrorism isn't so much about ideology as it is about desperation; people in a desperate condition will latch onto an ideology that gives them an outlet. In America and Europe in the late 19th century, it was Anarchism. In the early 20th century, Bolshevik Socialism or Fascism, mid 20th century, Communism.



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tigerblud1 on 15 November 2012

I agree with Mr. Khan



michael_stutzer on 15 November 2012
jonnybmk said:

If you killed my family, I would bring you to JUSTICE.

I would not rape your family members, cut their heads off, and drag their dead bodies through the streets.

The nature of Muslims is of evil. It has  nothing to do with justice or attaining peaceful outcomes. 


I really enjoy reading posts like these from American people. 



Roma on 15 November 2012
jonnybmk said:
Roma said:
jonnybmk said:
Judaism as a religion does not tell you to kill people that do not believe in it.

The murderous cult Islam does tell you to do that. How did it get the name "Religion of Peace"?

tell me how would you react if i came home to you and took what is yours and killed your family members? would you give me a flower and tell me kindly to stop or will you kill me?

Islam is a religion of piece but it is also a religion that promotes what is right and what is wrong. as i said in my previous post if someone takes something from you you have the right to take it back and if you see that as evil then how do you live your life? do you accept when people insult you? as someone said in a video once in an Islamic debate "i like it when people insult me" just so that he doesn't have to admit that what some people did was wrong.

Being peaceful does not mean you let people walk all over you and let them take what is yours!

If you killed my family, I would bring you to JUSTICE.

I would not rape your family members, cut their heads off, and drag their dead bodies through the streets.

The nature of Muslims is of evil. It has  nothing to do with justice or attaining peaceful outcomes. 

WTF? give me sources! don't just pull crap out of your ass!
Islam does not promote rape nor the killing of women and children! those who do that are not following Islam! when Mohammad fought, anyone who surrendered where treated with kindness. its like a bird if you have one you are responsible for its life and if you treat id bad you will be judged for it! so prisoners where well fed and well treated not like they do in America by peeing on them or releasing dogs on them!

anywho I don't expect you to nor anybody here to change their views. you know the truth but you chose to hold an to lies!



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Rath on 15 November 2012
Mr Khan said:
Okay, i've culled a few folks in this thread

And with that, let me say that while this thread does not merit closure (as this is a legitimate topic, and most of the folks here are being reasonable), some of y'all really need to stop saying offensive stuff.

I have a low tolerance for some of the BS the Israelis pull, but i do understand that they feel threatened. At the same time, one has to understand the ineffectual and corrupt nature of the "legitimate" Palestinian party, Fatah, and that Hamas, while murderous and violent, are also likely the more honest of the two. Radical Islam should be condemned, but one must understand where this sort of thing is coming from. Terrorism isn't so much about ideology as it is about desperation; people in a desperate condition will latch onto an ideology that gives them an outlet. In America and Europe in the late 19th century, it was Anarchism. In the early 20th century, Bolshevik Socialism or Fascism, mid 20th century, Communism.

Cheers for the great post.

While Fatah is corrupt it is also the only chance of peace the Palestinians have - Hamas has no desire for peace with Israel. If Fatah doesn't make peace with Israel it is likely there will not be a proper peace for many decades.



Mummelmann on 15 November 2012
jonnybmk said:

The Muslim world hates Israel.

They always have and always will. The warring Muslim population cannot be reasoned with and have been killing each other for thousands of years.

A Muslim could not tell you logically why they hate Israel. Only that they do and feel that they should be wiped from the face of the Earth.

Israel is not in the wrong; they only respond to attacks against them and are NOT the ones suicide bombing hospitals, markets, etc.

It is the blood thirsty religion of Islam that needs to be dealt with - fiercely.

Moderated,

-Mr Khan

So Israel did not fire missiles from a military grade combat helicopter into a precession of people in order to kill a man in a wheelchair?

From a Northern European perspective, untinted by religious ties; Israel are no better than their rivals, that much is clear. While there is rather broad support in the US for almost everything Israel does, there is a very different tone and opinion in most of Europe. That doesn't matter, of course, since Europeans are stupid and their opinons on matters don't count...



ArnoldRimmer on 15 November 2012
maximus22 said:

I agree with you 100%.  People say that it is close minded to dismiss all of Islam as a religion dead set on killing anyone who dares to not believe what they believe, but why should I think anything else when that's all I see of the religion?  I have never seen a Muslim outreach program or charity of any kind or anything good come from it at all for that matter.  I'm sure that there are/were plenty of Nazis who are good and peaceful people too but that doesn't make the Nazis any less evil in my eyes.

On the other hand I have never once heard of a terrorist Jew so yeah Israels cool in my book.

What you should really ask yourself is: Why is the information I've heard about that conflict so one-sided, biased and filtered that I could end up being so bad informed?

Why have I never heard about things like Irgun, Kahane, Lehi, the Deir Yassin massacre? (Maybe not even about the "kosher nostra"?)

Why have I never heard about the endless number of muslim charity and outreach programs? Why don't I know that one of the major reasons groups like Hamas are somewhat popular among the population is exactly because of their charity work?

Why don't I know that it's just utter bullshit that "muslims are set on killing anyone who dares to not believe what they believe"? Is it really possible that I've never even heard about the fact that Islam clearly states that jews and christians are "dhimmi", people who are officially protected because of their religion? That there was never any relevant conflict between jews and muslims until the events that happened in early 20th century palestine, while historically the jews were constantly endangered, killed and discriminated against by christians? Just a few years ago, the head of the jewish population in Iran (which, by the way, has the largest jewish population in the entire middle east except for Israel of course) wrote an angry letter, stating that even in the worst of times, the jews were always better off in Iran than in Europe.



Mummelmann on 15 November 2012

ArnoldRimmer; you shouldn't do that. Making peoples heads explode, I mean. Stop spreading information, we want the Western biased propaganda with political motives and scheeming!



Birimbau on 15 November 2012

Just throw an H-bomb there to wipe everything and then, rebuild everything from 0.