pezus said: Chandler said: oniyide said: Chandler said: It's because the PS3 is not BC anymore while the Wii is and the Wii U will be, so there is no need to keep the Wii going but people need to replace their defunct PS2's if they want to keep playing their old games. So which business strategy is more commendable for the consumer? I just love it when a company screws people over and the fans go "You show em Sony, wooohooo!" We got a smart one here, NO one is happy about PS3 not being backward compatible, show me someone who is. OT THey love 3ds in Japan! Cant wait to see how KH3d does in the US Read the posts before mine, there you have the people who are happy about it because people replacing PS2's is apparently a good thing. What? We know already that a majority of PS2s being sold right now are NOT replacements as you can probably tell from PS2 sales in the big territories. It is mainly selling in new, developing markets now to those who did not have it already.

But there is only a finite amount of developing countries so for the PS2 to keep selling steady amounts the replacement factor needs to increase. The original topic was about how the PS2 will outsell the Wii in the future, not in the present.

Edit: I am very calm. Are you?

Chandler said: pezus said: Chandler said: oniyide said: Chandler said: It's because the PS3 is not BC anymore while the Wii is and the Wii U will be, so there is no need to keep the Wii going but people need to replace their defunct PS2's if they want to keep playing their old games. So which business strategy is more commendable for the consumer? I just love it when a company screws people over and the fans go "You show em Sony, wooohooo!" We got a smart one here, NO one is happy about PS3 not being backward compatible, show me someone who is. OT THey love 3ds in Japan! Cant wait to see how KH3d does in the US Read the posts before mine, there you have the people who are happy about it because people replacing PS2's is apparently a good thing. What? We know already that a majority of PS2s being sold right now are NOT replacements as you can probably tell from PS2 sales in the big territories. It is mainly selling in new, developing markets now to those who did not have it already. But there is only a finite amount of developing countries so for the PS2 to keep selling steady amounts the replacement factor needs to increase. The original topic was about how the PS2 will outsell the Wii in the future, not in the present.

Not necessarily. Developing countries are...developing. As counties develop more and more, more people will be able to buy cheap luxuries, therefore the PS2 will continue to get new potential consumers. Also factor in that Sony has been pushing in developing markets quite a bit. The PS2 won't have to live based on replacement units since there will be a growing number of new potential consumers.

Jay520 said: Chandler said: pezus said: Chandler said: oniyide said: Chandler said: It's because the PS3 is not BC anymore while the Wii is and the Wii U will be, so there is no need to keep the Wii going but people need to replace their defunct PS2's if they want to keep playing their old games. So which business strategy is more commendable for the consumer? I just love it when a company screws people over and the fans go "You show em Sony, wooohooo!" We got a smart one here, NO one is happy about PS3 not being backward compatible, show me someone who is. OT THey love 3ds in Japan! Cant wait to see how KH3d does in the US Read the posts before mine, there you have the people who are happy about it because people replacing PS2's is apparently a good thing. What? We know already that a majority of PS2s being sold right now are NOT replacements as you can probably tell from PS2 sales in the big territories. It is mainly selling in new, developing markets now to those who did not have it already. But there is only a finite amount of developing countries so for the PS2 to keep selling steady amounts the replacement factor needs to increase. The original topic was about how the PS2 will outsell the Wii in the future, not in the present.   Not necessarily. Developing countries are...developing. As counties develop more and more, more people will be able to buy cheap luxuries, therefore the PS2 will continue to get new potential consumers. Also factor in that Sony has been pushing in developing markets quite a bit. The PS2 won't have to live based on replacement units since there will be a growing number of new potential consumers.

When those countries develope they may also stop being stuck generations past concerning entertainment and may jump to more sophisticated devices like the PS3. But they will still need to replace broken PS2's with PS2's because...well, I guess you know why by now :P

DieAppleDie said: oni not from day one do you remember its 1st year? it was awful

I wouldnt call it awful, it wasnt good. Had a couple of decent games. Tekken Tag, I rather enjoyed ONI, for some strange reason. But even then it went up and never really came down, I wish i could say the same for Wii

Chandler said: Jay520 said: Chandler said: pezus said: Chandler said: oniyide said: Chandler said: It's because the PS3 is not BC anymore while the Wii is and the Wii U will be, so there is no need to keep the Wii going but people need to replace their defunct PS2's if they want to keep playing their old games. So which business strategy is more commendable for the consumer? I just love it when a company screws people over and the fans go "You show em Sony, wooohooo!" We got a smart one here, NO one is happy about PS3 not being backward compatible, show me someone who is. OT THey love 3ds in Japan! Cant wait to see how KH3d does in the US Read the posts before mine, there you have the people who are happy about it because people replacing PS2's is apparently a good thing. What? We know already that a majority of PS2s being sold right now are NOT replacements as you can probably tell from PS2 sales in the big territories. It is mainly selling in new, developing markets now to those who did not have it already. But there is only a finite amount of developing countries so for the PS2 to keep selling steady amounts the replacement factor needs to increase. The original topic was about how the PS2 will outsell the Wii in the future, not in the present.   Not necessarily. Developing countries are...developing. As counties develop more and more, more people will be able to buy cheap luxuries, therefore the PS2 will continue to get new potential consumers. Also factor in that Sony has been pushing in developing markets quite a bit. The PS2 won't have to live based on replacement units since there will be a growing number of new potential consumers. When those countries develope they may also stop being stuck generations past concerning entertainment and may jump to more sophisticated devices like the PS3. But they will still need to replace broken PS2's with PS2's because...well, I guess you know why by now :P

Yeah, but the PS3 will still be much more expensive than the PS2. Countries aren't just going to go from extremely poor to owning PS3's. There's going to be a long gradual transition from most consumers not being able to afford consoles, to affording Ps2s, to affording more expensive consoles, etc. The PS2 should enjoy decent sales during the long period when consumers are able to afford PS2s but not PS3s. Also factor in piracy. One of the reasons the PS2 is so popular in developing nations is because its easy to pirate - because they can't afford/obtain new or real games. The PS3 will not be so easy to pirate, so not only will the hardware be more expensive, but the software will be too. So yeah, its going to be a while before the PS3 breaks into developing markets. Until then, the PS2 should see moderate, steady sales.

@chandler most people already proved you wrong, but i will add, there are probably more developing nations than there are ones where people can just up and buy PS3s no problem, something to thing about.

Jay520 said: Chandler said: Jay520 said: Chandler said: pezus said: Chandler said: oniyide said: Chandler said: It's because the PS3 is not BC anymore while the Wii is and the Wii U will be, so there is no need to keep the Wii going but people need to replace their defunct PS2's if they want to keep playing their old games. So which business strategy is more commendable for the consumer? I just love it when a company screws people over and the fans go "You show em Sony, wooohooo!" We got a smart one here, NO one is happy about PS3 not being backward compatible, show me someone who is. OT THey love 3ds in Japan! Cant wait to see how KH3d does in the US Read the posts before mine, there you have the people who are happy about it because people replacing PS2's is apparently a good thing. What? We know already that a majority of PS2s being sold right now are NOT replacements as you can probably tell from PS2 sales in the big territories. It is mainly selling in new, developing markets now to those who did not have it already. But there is only a finite amount of developing countries so for the PS2 to keep selling steady amounts the replacement factor needs to increase. The original topic was about how the PS2 will outsell the Wii in the future, not in the present.   Not necessarily. Developing countries are...developing. As counties develop more and more, more people will be able to buy cheap luxuries, therefore the PS2 will continue to get new potential consumers. Also factor in that Sony has been pushing in developing markets quite a bit. The PS2 won't have to live based on replacement units since there will be a growing number of new potential consumers. When those countries develope they may also stop being stuck generations past concerning entertainment and may jump to more sophisticated devices like the PS3. But they will still need to replace broken PS2's with PS2's because...well, I guess you know why by now :P Yeah, but the PS3 will still be much more expensive than the PS2. Countries aren't just going to go from extremely poor to owning PS3's. There's going to be a long gradual transition from most consumers not being able to afford consoles, to affording Ps2s, to affording more expensive consoles, etc. The PS2 should enjoy decent sales during the long period when consumers are able to afford PS2s but not PS3s. Also factor in piracy. One of the reasons the PS2 is so popular in developing nations is because its easy to pirate - because they can't afford/obtain new or real games. The PS3 will not be so easy to pirate, so not only will the hardware be more expensive, but the software will be too. So yeah, its going to be a while before the PS3 breaks into developing markets. Until then, the PS2 should see moderate, steady sales.

I would argue that there won't be a lot of countries that can't afford PS2's right now will be able to afford them in the next years. Or are you expecting that central africa will be a viable target market for the ps2 in the coming years? There really aren't a lot of countries left who are below the threshold of PS2 entertainment and those who are will not emerge in the coming years due to wars, genocide and extreme poverty. The countries that are viable markets right now on the other hand will gradually move on and emerge into more sophisticated markets. The PS2 might be cheaper and easier to hack, but that didn't prevent us from moving on, or did it? 99% of the stuff we buy today is not efficient or even reasonably priced but it's a matter of self-affirmation and a status symbol to show off their developement. The one thing that will not change is the fact that you need a PS2 to play PS2 games. Oh and hacking a PS2 increases the replacement rate drastically, from personal experience.

Chandler said: . I would argue that there won't be a lot of countries that can't afford PS2's right now will be able to afford them in the next years. Or are you expecting that central africa will be a viable target market for the ps2 in the coming years? There really aren't a lot of countries left who are below the threshold of PS2 entertainment and those who are will not emerge in the coming years due to wars, genocide and extreme poverty. The countries that are viable markets right now on the other hand will gradually move on and emerge into more sophisticated markets. The PS2 might be cheaper and easier to hack, but that didn't prevent us from moving on, or did it? 99% of the stuff we buy today is not efficient or even reasonably priced but it's a matter of self-affirmation and a status symbol to show off their developement. The one thing that will not change is the fact that you need a PS2 to play PS2 games. Oh and hacking a PS2 increases the replacement rate drastically, from personal experience.

Perhaps I should have worded my post better. I'm not talking about dirt poor countries. I mean countries where the PS2 is already selling. The gaming market in these countries will continue to grow so the PS2 will have new owners to sell to. I'm not expecting the PS2 to see a sudden boost in sales, but it should stay steady until the Wii drops below it. Also, I highly doubt the PS3 will become wide recieved in these countries within the next few years though of course I cannot prove what will happen in the future. You're right, companies that are viable markets now will gradually move on. The key word being 'gradually'. It's going to be a while before the PS3 does become affordable there.

Like I said, the PS3's lack of BC is a factor, but it is an insignificant one and it will be for the next few years at least.

Chandler said: Jay520 said: Chandler said: It's because the PS3 is not BC anymore while the Wii is and the Wii U will be, so there is no need to keep the Wii going but people need to replace their defunct PS2's if they want to keep playing their old games. So which business strategy is more commendable for the consumer? I just love it when a company screws people over and the fans go "You show em Sony, wooohooo!" 1.) Please explain to me how Sony is screwing over consumers because the PS3 isn't BC. .2.) Your assertion that PS2's are selling because the PS3 isn't BC is flawed. The PS2 sells primarily in developing nations. Places where the PS3 isn't affordable. So even if the PS3 was BC, the PS2 sales would still be strong in poorer nations, because the PS3 has very little presence there. 1.) It was an exaggeration. They may not exactly screwing people over with this, but it is no doubt less consumer friendly than other competitors handle this situation.   2.) I didn't say that the PS2 selling the way it does is only because of the BC isuue, but it's a factor. I myself have a defunct PS2 in my closet and a wall full of PS2 games. I know I will need to replace this PS2 WITH ANOTHER PS2. This will not be the case if my Wii breaks sometime in the future because there will be an alternative. That is all I'm saying, don't blow this out of proportion here.

@bold and your other posts that say the same thing

 

You can always ebay or amazon a BC PS3, if it is such a big concern for you.

Jay520 said: Chandler said: . I would argue that there won't be a lot of countries that can't afford PS2's right now will be able to afford them in the next years. Or are you expecting that central africa will be a viable target market for the ps2 in the coming years? There really aren't a lot of countries left who are below the threshold of PS2 entertainment and those who are will not emerge in the coming years due to wars, genocide and extreme poverty. The countries that are viable markets right now on the other hand will gradually move on and emerge into more sophisticated markets. The PS2 might be cheaper and easier to hack, but that didn't prevent us from moving on, or did it? 99% of the stuff we buy today is not efficient or even reasonably priced but it's a matter of self-affirmation and a status symbol to show off their developement. The one thing that will not change is the fact that you need a PS2 to play PS2 games. Oh and hacking a PS2 increases the replacement rate drastically, from personal experience. Perhaps I should have worded my post better. I'm not talking about dirt poor countries. I mean countries where the PS2 is already selling. The gaming market in these countries will continue to grow so the PS2 will have new owners to sell to. I'm not expecting the PS2 to see a sudden boost in sales, but it should stay steady until the Wii drops below it. Also, I highly doubt the PS3 will become wide recieved in these countries within the next few years though of course I cannot prove what will happen in the future. You're right, companies that are viable markets now will gradually move on. The key word being 'gradually'. It's going to be a while before the PS3 does become affordable there. Like I said, the PS3's lack of BC is a factor, but it is an insignificant one and it will be for the next few years at least.

I can agree with that, in the end it's all just opinions here. Insignificance can be a pretty wide area depending on how you interprete it or where exactly you draw the line. Maybe for you it's insignificant and for me it's already in the area where it is a significant contributing factor. But one thing should be clear: It is a factor that Nintendos consoles generally do not have working in their favor because they are always at least one generation backwards compatible. So there is choice. With the PS2, there is none.