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Forums - Politics Discussion - Kansas governor signs bill effectively banning Islamic law

Kasz216 on 28 May 2012
Cirio said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Cirio said:

What does this survey have to do with banning Islamic law, or Islamic law at all? Also, 9/10? You only talked about 7. What did the other 3 Imams say?


I talked about all of them. The remaining three obviously said that whether they should go to the police depends on the situation (which is wrong given how he obviously had commited crimes).

My overall point was that banning islamic laws won't solve anything. The issues will still be there.

But how is this an example of Islamic law or the "issues" surrounding it? What are the issues? The women are protected under Swedish law and can easily go to a Swedish court or get outside help since Islamic law doesn't get the priority. Also, what specifically did the 6 Imams who advised not to go to the police say? Did they give the women advice? Did they tell them how to mend the relationship or get outside help from family/friends or did they just say "don't go to the police" and ignore their concerns (which I find hard to believe)?


Apparently the arguement was that Sharia law was used inplace of US laws in the cases of many custody and propery cases ruled by us Judges.



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Lafiel on 28 May 2012
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The laws are fair and justified. A minority of Muslims should not be able to enact barbaric and draconian laws onto the majority.  Sharia law does not belong in the Western democratic world. Why should a minority religious fundamentalist group enforce their beliefs, values and laws onto the majority? 

I doubt there are serious strives within even fundamentalist groups to enforce it onto the majority, but the problem is that some might try to enforce it among themselves, which has to be stopped aswell



Jumpin on 28 May 2012

Edit (just realized that my talk about "doohickey" "yoll" "tarnation" and such might be offensive to Kansanites).



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Harrybarry on 30 May 2012

While I'm not a fan of Islam or Sharia, I don't understand this law. What is it going to accomplish? Ramadam is Sharia. Praying five times a day is Sharia. Is that outlawed now?



Bladeforce on 30 May 2012

When in Rome live as the Romans do....quite a simple philosophy really



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outlawauron on 30 May 2012
Harrybarry said:
While I'm not a fan of Islam or Sharia, I don't understand this law. What is it going to accomplish? Ramadam is Sharia. Praying five times a day is Sharia. Is that outlawed now?

No. You just can't use Sharia law to override US law or any government law that may apply.



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Adinnieken on 30 May 2012
noname2200 said:
Adinnieken said:

How does the State of Kansas reconcile Common Law?

Common Law isn't US Law.

?

What do you understand "common law" to mean?

 

 

Anyhow, considering how amorphous I understand Sharia Law to be, I don't really understand the need for this legislation. Any contract that says something so general as "terms are defined/similar to those of Sharia Law" would be too ambiguous to use, while those who state specifics of it should still be enforceable so long as they do not run afoul of a legal prohibition.

Basically, this seems like a safety blanket for something that doesn't really happen in Kansas anyways, and is in no danger of happening anytime soon.

Common Law is the application of precedent to adjudicate civil and criminal cases.  Precedent isn't law, it's a subjective determination based on an interpretation of the law.  Common Law is not Constitutional, statutory, or civil law.   It is not Kansas State law or US Constitutional law.  Therefore the use of Common Law, a practice going back centuries, would be against Kansas Law.





rocketpig on 31 May 2012
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The laws are fair and justified. A minority of Muslims should not be able to enact barbaric and draconian laws onto the majority.  Sharia law does not belong in the Western democratic world. Why should a minority religious fundamentalist group enforce their beliefs, values and laws onto the majority? 

You're totally right. This law is going to help quell the burgeoning Muslim revolution in Kansas.

These laws are the dumbest, most pointless use of government resources I can imagine. Sharia Law is not US Law. It never has been. It never will be.

It's insulting to our court system, really. As if judges aren't already aware of what is law and what is not.




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rocketpig on 31 May 2012
lordmandeep said:
Islamic law is banned or not allowed to practiced on a formal level in many places...

... like the entirety of the United States of America.

But now it's double secret illegal in Kansas. Awesome.




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homer on 31 May 2012

Good. That's the way it should be.



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