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stealth20k on 25 April 2012
crissindahouse said:
stealth20k said:
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sad.man.loves.vgc said:
We'll see for how long till iPads start getting serious third party support. There is a reason why the new iPad has a quad core GPU :)


Its not ever going to get serious third party support.......at least if the ipad 2 is anything to go by.

but now they can make games for a device which will have a much bigger userbase and they could make games for ipad 2 which would be interesting for ipad 2 and 3 users. and when ipad 4 will come out they can make games which run on ipad 3 and 4 this will be a huge userbase. a game like infinity blade sold very very good and that was released at a time when iphone was a joke against iphone nowadays saleswise. same with ipad.

i believe infinity blade made 25 million until last year. a game like infinity blade released nowadays could make 100 million on iphone and ipad and there is only the 30% you have to give apple.

You make some interesting points but we really dont know how big or small the user base for gaming is.........

Dont get me started on infinity blade, that piece of garbage sold on name and graphics alone, not gameplay............

downloaded 25 million times is very different than selling that much.............

 

And epic seems to be the only one supporting it........ with you know 1 new iteration every new hardware refresh which is bad for gaming

no not downloaded 25 million times, it made 25 million dollars until last year. no clue where it stands now. so epic got ~18 million dollars for the infinity blade sales until last year with a much smaller userbase and sales won't stop we know how the digital games sales don't drop like retail games.

and i don't say it is a good game, that's why i wrote before that i am not sure if people won't buy handhelds anymore because of the much better controlls as example and that i see some people buying a handhelds because they started to care about caming when they played some games on their iphone.

I dont believe that number I dont........I mean sure 25 million is alot of money but the profit nintendo made on pokmeon black white last year was mind boggeling............

 



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sad.man.loves.vgc on 25 April 2012
crissindahouse said:
stealth20k said:
crissindahouse said:
stealth20k said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:
We'll see for how long till iPads start getting serious third party support. There is a reason why the new iPad has a quad core GPU :)


Its not ever going to get serious third party support.......at least if the ipad 2 is anything to go by.

but now they can make games for a device which will have a much bigger userbase and they could make games for ipad 2 which would be interesting for ipad 2 and 3 users. and when ipad 4 will come out they can make games which run on ipad 3 and 4 this will be a huge userbase. a game like infinity blade sold very very good and that was released at a time when iphone was a joke against iphone nowadays saleswise. same with ipad.

i believe infinity blade made 25 million until last year. a game like infinity blade released nowadays could make 100 million on iphone and ipad and there is only the 30% you have to give apple.

You make some interesting points but we really dont know how big or small the user base for gaming is.........

Dont get me started on infinity blade, that piece of garbage sold on name and graphics alone, not gameplay............

downloaded 25 million times is very different than selling that much.............

 

And epic seems to be the only one supporting it........ with you know 1 new iteration every new hardware refresh which is bad for gaming

no not downloaded 25 million times, it made 25 million dollars until last year. no clue where it stands now. so epic got ~18 million dollars for the infinity blade sales until last year with a much smaller userbase and sales won't stop we know how the digital games sales don't drop like retail games.

and i don't say it is a good game, that's why i wrote before that i am not sure if people won't buy handhelds anymore because of the much better controlls as example and that i see some people buying a handhelds because they started to care about caming when they played some games on their iphone.


http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/01/05/ios-infinity-blade-franchise-slashes-30-million-revenue-mark/



VicViper on 25 April 2012
stealth20k said:
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stealth20k said:
That ad proves but one thing, When you game on real dedicated devices with the quality of games and controls, you dont want to do the casual 5 minute game stuff
That ad proved nothing I said wrong

"But I agree with Kowen, it's damaging the portable market big time, imo.'

Again there is no evidence of this at all. All we can see is the vita, 3ds, ds, psp selling well right now..........sales are not 0


The ad proves Sony sees them as competitors.

And they should. Outside Japan, the market is very slow and boring for portables, both in hardware and especially software. But I don't want to go deeper into this, it's just how I see things at the moment.

A good company will see everyone as a competitor

As the great reggie said when he was asked this question and I quote

" yeah apple is a competitor.......so is a book, a newspaper, food. Anything that has the potential to take money is a competitor"

But that doesnt mean they are afraid...........

Again that isnt true, portables do very very well outside japan. The psp sold more outside japan............worldwide the 3ds is number 1. You dont get to be number 1 worldwide, if your first in japan, and last everywhere else. It doesnt work that way


Well, but Nintendo will never make an Ad saying "you should never read a book again". And the software part to me is the most worrisome, more than hardware.

But, like I said, let's end this here... I'm a bit undecided about the future of portables. I just think this massive sucess of Apple generates pretty big ripples everywhere.


Portable software makes profit

The psp is 7 years old and companies are still localizing

 

do you think they would if they didnt have profit projected?

I'm sorry, but they are? Check again :)

Two C-tier games from the same company for the rest of the year does not qualify as "companies are still localizing". And even them I believe there's more chances of those being vaporwares than anything else. PSP is deader than dead in the west.



stealth20k on 25 April 2012

Yeah they are, I count at least 5 companies having announced localizions on psp

What you call C tier most other psp games would call omega tier..........( I assume your talking gungir and growlanser) that isnt all though

Vaporware? Us box, US screen shots, would indicate otherwise

The psp, considering its 7 years old is alot more alive than other systems were at that mark



stealth20k on 25 April 2012
sad.man.loves.vgc said:
crissindahouse said:
stealth20k said:
crissindahouse said:
stealth20k said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:
We'll see for how long till iPads start getting serious third party support. There is a reason why the new iPad has a quad core GPU :)


Its not ever going to get serious third party support.......at least if the ipad 2 is anything to go by.

but now they can make games for a device which will have a much bigger userbase and they could make games for ipad 2 which would be interesting for ipad 2 and 3 users. and when ipad 4 will come out they can make games which run on ipad 3 and 4 this will be a huge userbase. a game like infinity blade sold very very good and that was released at a time when iphone was a joke against iphone nowadays saleswise. same with ipad.

i believe infinity blade made 25 million until last year. a game like infinity blade released nowadays could make 100 million on iphone and ipad and there is only the 30% you have to give apple.

You make some interesting points but we really dont know how big or small the user base for gaming is.........

Dont get me started on infinity blade, that piece of garbage sold on name and graphics alone, not gameplay............

downloaded 25 million times is very different than selling that much.............

 

And epic seems to be the only one supporting it........ with you know 1 new iteration every new hardware refresh which is bad for gaming

no not downloaded 25 million times, it made 25 million dollars until last year. no clue where it stands now. so epic got ~18 million dollars for the infinity blade sales until last year with a much smaller userbase and sales won't stop we know how the digital games sales don't drop like retail games.

and i don't say it is a good game, that's why i wrote before that i am not sure if people won't buy handhelds anymore because of the much better controlls as example and that i see some people buying a handhelds because they started to care about caming when they played some games on their iphone.


http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/01/05/ios-infinity-blade-franchise-slashes-30-million-revenue-mark/


Revenue and profit are way different but oh well. Thinks like that are more the abboration than anything else.........most games dont even make 1 million in profit anywhere



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VicViper on 25 April 2012
stealth20k said:
Yeah they are, I count at least 5 companies having announced localizions on psp

What you call C tier most other psp games would call omega tier..........( I assume your talking gungir and growlanser) that isnt all though

Vaporware? Us box, US screen shots, would indicate otherwise

The psp, considering its 7 years old is alot more alive than other systems were at that mark

I have a psp and I'm really curious now: what are those games?

The only ones I can find on gamefaqs are two very forgettable Atlus games.



stealth20k on 25 April 2012

What you call forgettable the rest of us are calling amazing..........

Just to pique your interest grand knight history is coming out this year, black rock shooter, Rexx...........

Now if your nice I will tell you some others..............



crissindahouse on 25 April 2012
stealth20k said:
crissindahouse said:
stealth20k said:
crissindahouse said:
stealth20k said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:
We'll see for how long till iPads start getting serious third party support. There is a reason why the new iPad has a quad core GPU :)


Its not ever going to get serious third party support.......at least if the ipad 2 is anything to go by.

but now they can make games for a device which will have a much bigger userbase and they could make games for ipad 2 which would be interesting for ipad 2 and 3 users. and when ipad 4 will come out they can make games which run on ipad 3 and 4 this will be a huge userbase. a game like infinity blade sold very very good and that was released at a time when iphone was a joke against iphone nowadays saleswise. same with ipad.

i believe infinity blade made 25 million until last year. a game like infinity blade released nowadays could make 100 million on iphone and ipad and there is only the 30% you have to give apple.

You make some interesting points but we really dont know how big or small the user base for gaming is.........

Dont get me started on infinity blade, that piece of garbage sold on name and graphics alone, not gameplay............

downloaded 25 million times is very different than selling that much.............

 

And epic seems to be the only one supporting it........ with you know 1 new iteration every new hardware refresh which is bad for gaming

no not downloaded 25 million times, it made 25 million dollars until last year. no clue where it stands now. so epic got ~18 million dollars for the infinity blade sales until last year with a much smaller userbase and sales won't stop we know how the digital games sales don't drop like retail games.

and i don't say it is a good game, that's why i wrote before that i am not sure if people won't buy handhelds anymore because of the much better controlls as example and that i see some people buying a handhelds because they started to care about caming when they played some games on their iphone.

I dont believe that number I dont........I mean sure 25 million is alot of money but the profit nintendo made on pokmeon black white last year was mind boggeling............

 

yeah nintendo made more but it's still profitable and that's what counts. they have almost no costs, only development and the 30% apple will get from all sales. no retail, no packaging, almost no advertisement, transport and so on...  and even if it wasn't profitable i'm sure with 4x as much users they will be profitable with these kind of games anytime soon.



VicViper on 25 April 2012
stealth20k said:
What you call forgettable the rest of us are calling amazing..........

Just to pique your interest grand knight history is coming out this year, black rock shooter, Rexx...........

Now if your nice I will tell you some others..............


Nah, not interested... Pokémon Black 2 or White 2 are going to be the last last gen games I buy, most likely.

Now only 3DS or Vita games.



stealth20k on 25 April 2012

"they have almost no costs, only development and the 30% apple will get from all sales."

We dont know what the budget was