theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said: patriot act- UK version Fox news staunchly against it. |
Actually most of the stuff in the patriot act was already legal in the UK.
Though yeah. It's awful.
Obama's huge as bactracking on FISA was my biggest disapointment from his presidency.
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agreed. I have no idea how that happened. I really hope it wasn't some kind of concession, or "hey I'm reaching across politcal lines", because there was plenty else he could've done instead.
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Don't think it was, since he had more then enough votes to get rid of it between the Democratic senators and Republicans who were being pushed towards libretarianism at the time. Plus it's not like he's exactly shown restraint in areas that are fully in his purveiw.
Though really the alternative is worse don't you think? Since that just means, he really does was FISA.
Seems more likely the case, what with him going above and beyond bush in civil liberties abuse.
He just lobbied for that strip search ruling for example... that almost nobody knows about, because it was a Democratic President who lobbied for it.
Fans of Civil Liberties are better off with Republicans are in power, because then when our civil liberties are intruded opon, at least one of the poltiical parties bitches about it. Unlike with Obama where Democrats say nothing. Well outside Dennis Kusinich, but he's gone soon.
Just leaves Ron Paul.