Good point. I guess I'd consider those sources to be sufficient evidence.

Sony have been evading unit sales for the last months, first comparing PS2+PS3+PSP revenue with GC+Wii+DS revenue (which doesn't help anymore), then comparing PS2+PSP revenue from a year ago with PS2+PS3+PSP revenue today (which works, but doesn't tell anything about the competition) and now they have to turn to pure lieing. Apalling.

 Actually I went to stores X, Y and Z and they have 30 PS3 in stock

Hasn't Sony claimed to have met their goal of shipping 6 million units, too? Funny when two lies totally contradict each other.

 He, very true. :) Let's wait for the annual report though. Who knows were they "shipped" those units. They left the factory on March 31 and are probably on a road between Xinjiang and Kazakhstan right now. Expected to arrive in Europe for the Christmas season.

So if they say reatailers are buying the systems as fast as we make them so we need to make them faster because we need to get ready for the Europe and austrailia launch. I think what was being said is they are not Warehousing PS3's and have them ready for oders they are still making them fo orders. I have yet to see 20-30 PS3's anywhere? Hell Costco just got bundles in due to supply constraint. I bought my PS3 in febuary and it was the last one at my Best Buy, as i set it down to look at the game i was going to buy another guy was eyeing mine up while asking a sales acosiate if there were any more. I am not saying I have not seen 5 or 6 on a shelf but its not like its not selling and retailers are repleneshing stock.

I do agree that Sony would like them to be sold out everywhere, and that there are more than they would like to see on shelves. What would you have them say though? We are not selling as many as we want to.? I would think that would apear in every anti sony post there is. In buisness i think you do need some degree of spin. I would go so far as calling it a lie though. Its not like Sony has all these PS3's made that they don't know what to do with. Stores are not putting PS3s on clearance so It will all be ok .

To ansewer your Question "Why does Sony have to lie?" Because,if they didn't they would be the only company that didn't. Or they probly would be bancrupt by now...Honestly you think there are major companies out there that do not "lie"?

Well I don't know if I'd say that's a lie or simply taking spin all the way to the line that seperates spin from lies.  Technically they just said that they themselves were supply constrained due to producing the new gimped PAL PS3's.  That could be completely true, that they haven't been able to produce many NTSC PS3's which would make their claim true.  Although it is in the same sentence they don't condition the first part on the second part, they simply said PS3 sales were up and they are supply constrained.  Yes they could both be true, yes they put them in the same sentence to make it appear as though they go together, yes they don't mention if retailers are "supply constrained" (very evidently they are not), and yes that is the art of spin taken to the very limit of spin.

 Why do I fell like I'm back in high school analyzing one of Bill Clinton's "untruths", bleh I need a shower. 

I just find these excuses people are making for Sony hilarious. Baghdad Bob is smiling.

Ahh, corporate spin and rank fanboy-ism in the same thread, I'll really need a shower after reading this.  No you don't usually see 30 PS3's sitting out because they dont have space in their video game sections for 30 of those hulking things.  It's also not terribly theft proof and stores like you to think there's only a few left, better buy one now.  Usually they have 5 or 6 out from and the rest in the back.  The way to tell is if you see their PS3 cabinet filled with PS3's you can be pretty sure more are sitting in the back.  Thus far the only Wii's I've seen were the one I bought as it was being unloaded from its shipping box and the one lonesome Wii at a Wal-Mart (which means it was unlikely they had more).  Most stores I've been to have the 5 or 6 PS3's they can fit in the cabinet available. 

As for Sony's lies, everyone lies yes but what gets people about Sony is they border on being pathological liars.  Right up until the day they announce something they will say with a straight face it isn't happening even if it's been leaked or everyone knows it (like 20GB not being killed off, $600 price tag, PS2 and its 75 million plys per sec, 8 core 3.5GHz Cell, toy story like graphics, thats actual PS3 hardware not dev computers at E3 06 [may have been another game event], etc).   They also don't know the art of denial, no reason to promise a less than $500 system when you know it's really $600, just don't say anything, no need to keep insisting you will produce the 20GB PS3 when you know you aren't, just don't say anything and stop shipping them, and so on. 

Another thing that annoys some is how quickly Sony fanboys simply accept their new truth from Sony.  I recall reading IGN's PS3 section before E3 06 when Sony Europe boss said the system was $600, IGN PS3 was duly shocked because Sony had always said it would be under $500.  Tthen Sony came out and said no he was misquoted its not $600 and the IGN PS3 section rejoiced. Then Sony announced the $600 price a few days later and IGN PS3 always knew it was going to $600, it's a technical marvel after all. It's like 1984, "We are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia". 

    I'm hoping this post doesn't come off weird, but my inability to quote websites may prove to distort my point, anywho on Kotaku there's a story about the latest NPD #'s titled "Nintendo DS, God of War II top March Sales Charts, PS3 Trails GBA[Updated}"

    The post contains that same quote yo've got up FishyJoe, and then apparently further down they have an update where Dave Karraker(sony's mouthpiece type guy) makes some point about what "in-stock" means for a store, or 30 units for a store like the PS2 or Xbox-360's current stock levels which allows that product to get support in weekly ads.

      The point is that supply-constrained is a loose term to Sony, so its not much as they're blatantly lying, but that their using a term in such a way that would confuse just about anyone besides themselves, and there-in-by leading to most people, such as us on the board, to mock their inability to communicate what they mean. They really should have clarified that in their initial announcement methinks.

       So uhhh, if anyone can actually link that site it would be much appreciated, I'm still new at this message board thing.