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sethnintendo said:
Dallinor said:
chris.m95 said:
Its nice to know i live in England and everyone hates America just that tiny bit more than us :D


Better yet to live in Ireland, where nobody really hates you. :D


I wouldn't say I hate Ireland but your country really should have just stayed within the Viking Empire...  and your country should have supported Germany more during WW1.  Also, your country could make a better beer like the Germans.  At least you don't have a terrible selection such as the English and American brews (good thing there is a micro brew movement in USA cause almost all the top selling beers are piss).

Ireland was never fully controlled by the Vikings. If you are reffering to the Normans, like the settled Vikings, they ended up being assimilated by the Irish through marriage, politics and war. Hard to stay part of an Empire you were never in to begin with.

Ireland makes some decent beer and whiskey. Guinness and Jameson being world recognized brands.

Anyway, I don't want to go further off-topic then I already have, so I'll end this here.

 

 



 

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Dallinor said:

Anyway, I don't want to go further off-topic then I already have, so I'll end this here.

I like Guiness, and Ireland is a great country. :)



Lets just say that Iran like every other country in the world has the right to protect themselves. In this case it is by making nuclear weapons just like the US, china, Britain, India, etc.



deskpro2k3 said:

I understand all that moko-jumbo stuff you're saying I do, but all I said in my original comment was they could be developing a cheaper form of energy. Nuclear power is cost competitive with other forms of electricity generation.

What, an all new cheaper form of energy from scratch? I think you're giving Iranian nuclear engineers and scientists a little too much credit.

Iran made their own nuclear fuel rods with the U-235 they've been enriching for the Russian built Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant that uses the same type of steam driven turbines used in virtually every nuclear power plant.

And that folks, was the big announcement. 



Rath said:
happydolphin said:
Rath said:
Squilliam said:
Maybe if the west, U.S.A/U.K. im talking about you, stopped screwing around with their internal affairs they'd have been a calm and peaceful nation. All Iran really wants is to be left alone (and wipe Israel off of the map) and nuclear weapons are a great way to say leave us alone (and wipe Israel off of the map).

Even in a hostile enviornment there are fanatics, there are angry people, and there are upset people.

The fanatics, you cannot change their minds. The angry ones, you may be able to give them something to work with if you aren't a total jerk. The upset people you just need to talk to so they can understand.

The fanatics are a lost cause. But for all others, the West/Israel have a lot of work to do to gain their trust and shift the axes of hate & harmony (think Masters of Orion).



Yes and the fanatics are the ones in charge in Iran.

 

@Squilliam. It's not bull that Iran wants Israel destroyed, they've said it often enough.

Doesn't mean that they woud do it as they know that at that moment whole Iran would be wiped out of the map. If North Korea and Pakistan can have nuclear arsenal and we know they won't use them I don't see how in the hell Iran would. How many wars Iran has started during last 200 years? None. Compare that to US and Israel... Doesn't seem exactly too aggressive nation. From words there is still a long way to actual action.



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SpartenOmega117 said:
Lets just say that Iran like every other country in the world has the right to protect themselves. In this case it is by making nuclear weapons just like the US, china, Britain, India, etc.


well...i guess since iran has repeatedly promised to annihilate israel and openly funds terrorists on its doorstep working towards its destruction, then i guess israel has the right to protect itself and annihilate iran. 



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MrBubbles said:
SpartenOmega117 said:
Lets just say that Iran like every other country in the world has the right to protect themselves. In this case it is by making nuclear weapons just like the US, china, Britain, India, etc.


well...i guess since iran has repeatedly promised to annihilate israel and openly funds terrorists on its doorstep working towards its destruction, then i guess israel has the right to protect itself and annihilate iran

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happydolphin said:
MrBubbles said:
SpartenOmega117 said:
Lets just say that Iran like every other country in the world has the right to protect themselves. In this case it is by making nuclear weapons just like the US, china, Britain, India, etc.


well...i guess since iran has repeatedly promised to annihilate israel and openly funds terrorists on its doorstep working towards its destruction, then i guess israel has the right to protect itself and annihilate iran

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i dont understand what your fixes are supposed to do.  it is openly funding hamas and hezbollah.  theyve admitted this and talked it up a lot.  they even promised last week to support anyone working against israel.

 

and then second one is just the logical conclusion of a train of thought for someone working so hard to kill you.  you kill them before they can kill you.  so i dont know why you would cross it out. 

and its really just directly against the position of the person i quoted...if iran has the right of nuclear arms for protection, then logically, israel has the right to completely destroy iran before it has the capability to carry through what they have promised to do and settle the matter once and for all.



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MrBubbles said:
happydolphin said:
MrBubbles said:
SpartenOmega117 said:
Lets just say that Iran like every other country in the world has the right to protect themselves. In this case it is by making nuclear weapons just like the US, china, Britain, India, etc.


well...i guess since iran has repeatedly promised to annihilate israel and openly funds terrorists on its doorstep working towards its destruction, then i guess israel has the right to protect itself and annihilate iran

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i dont understand what your fixes are supposed to do.  it is openly funding hamas and hezbollah.  theyve admitted this and talked it up a lot.  they even promised last week to support anyone working against israel.

 

and then second one is just the logical conclusion of a train of thought for someone working so hard to kill you.  you kill them before they can kill you.  so i dont know why you would cross it out. 

If there is an agent of destruction in your enemy, it's the agent you annihilate, not the whole nation. Israel has a right to protect itself. Annihilate Iran, no. That would be as insane as those who vow to the annihilation of Israel. Both are mad. That's why I crossed it out, in terms of reason.

@openly. OK, I'm not an expert.



KillerMan said:
Rath said:
happydolphin said:
Rath said:
Squilliam said:
Maybe if the west, U.S.A/U.K. im talking about you, stopped screwing around with their internal affairs they'd have been a calm and peaceful nation. All Iran really wants is to be left alone (and wipe Israel off of the map) and nuclear weapons are a great way to say leave us alone (and wipe Israel off of the map).

Even in a hostile enviornment there are fanatics, there are angry people, and there are upset people.

The fanatics, you cannot change their minds. The angry ones, you may be able to give them something to work with if you aren't a total jerk. The upset people you just need to talk to so they can understand.

The fanatics are a lost cause. But for all others, the West/Israel have a lot of work to do to gain their trust and shift the axes of hate & harmony (think Masters of Orion).



Yes and the fanatics are the ones in charge in Iran.

 

@Squilliam. It's not bull that Iran wants Israel destroyed, they've said it often enough.

Doesn't mean that they woud do it as they know that at that moment whole Iran would be wiped out of the map. If North Korea and Pakistan can have nuclear arsenal and we know they won't use them I don't see how in the hell Iran would. How many wars Iran has started during last 200 years? None. Compare that to US and Israel... Doesn't seem exactly too aggressive nation. From words there is still a long way to actual action.

North Korea and Pakistan are very worrying. North Korea is perhaps nuts enough - and certainly it's always on the verge of collapsing which makes insanse power plays more likely - to use the bomb if they ever get it down to a managable size. That's why everybody is negotiating to try and stop them from doing it.

Pakistan is worrying not because of who the current government might use them but because extremists in the country are plausibly powerful enough to seize power, or at least nuclear facilities, and Al-Qaeda would be quite happy to use a nuke if they got one.

I'd personally be very, very happy with no nuclear weapons in the world. I'd be much happier even if only India, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran didn't have nukes.