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Rath on 15 February 2012
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KillerMan said:
Rath said:
happydolphin said:
Rath said:
Squilliam said:
Maybe if the west, U.S.A/U.K. im talking about you, stopped screwing around with their internal affairs they'd have been a calm and peaceful nation. All Iran really wants is to be left alone (and wipe Israel off of the map) and nuclear weapons are a great way to say leave us alone (and wipe Israel off of the map).

Even in a hostile enviornment there are fanatics, there are angry people, and there are upset people.

The fanatics, you cannot change their minds. The angry ones, you may be able to give them something to work with if you aren't a total jerk. The upset people you just need to talk to so they can understand.

The fanatics are a lost cause. But for all others, the West/Israel have a lot of work to do to gain their trust and shift the axes of hate & harmony (think Masters of Orion).

Yes and the fanatics are the ones in charge in Iran.

 

@Squilliam. It's not bull that Iran wants Israel destroyed, they've said it often enough.

Doesn't mean that they woud do it as they know that at that moment whole Iran would be wiped out of the map. If North Korea and Pakistan can have nuclear arsenal and we know they won't use them I don't see how in the hell Iran would. How many wars Iran has started during last 200 years? None. Compare that to US and Israel... Doesn't seem exactly too aggressive nation. From words there is still a long way to actual action.

North Korea and Pakistan are very worrying. North Korea is perhaps nuts enough - and certainly it's always on the verge of collapsing which makes insanse power plays more likely - to use the bomb if they ever get it down to a managable size. That's why everybody is negotiating to try and stop them from doing it.

Pakistan is worrying not because of who the current government might use them but because extremists in the country are plausibly powerful enough to seize power, or at least nuclear facilities, and Al-Qaeda would be quite happy to use a nuke if they got one.

I'd personally be very, very happy with no nuclear weapons in the world. I'd be much happier even if only India, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran didn't have nukes.