Shush with doom-calling, see first month Vita performance in the West before we decide whether it's screwed for life or not okay?
Still too early to doom the Vita even if it failed in Japan. There's still the rest of the world. Japan's only 1 out of the 200 countries out there.
| Nem said: This thread is like stepping on the twilight zone. I'm not sure what you mean when you say the 3DS is "stuck" to a Wi-fi connection. Whatever connection you choose to use, you're gonna have to pay an ISP. Wether you want one on the move or one just at home is really up to you, but theres solutions for both. Has for the 3DS beeing for "kiddies" is in itself a very weak argument when were experiencing the release of Resident evil Revelations, Metal Gear Solid 3D and Tekken prime edition the next weeks. Nintendo games might be seen as kiddy because they are aimed at a large demographic, but the 3DS is proving its aimed at adult audiences aswell. From a marketing point of view though, the 3DS is absolutely genious in the way it differenciates itself from the competition while aiming at all the demographics, while the Vita on the other hand just seems to be a small tablet or a big phone aimed at 20-35 audiences. It is in no way a better gadget than the 3DS, but a different one. The 3DS still offers a unique 3D experience and functionality that no other handheld offers, wich is something that is hard to say about the Vita since it really offers little over the PSP except power (the touch pad is just a feature added to a checklist that makes little sense on the same screen as you're playing the games). That is the reason why it cant really beat even the PSP without a really good library. There just is no reason to upgrade. But, realisticly speaking the Vita already lost in sales comparison. There is just no way that a handheld that is now selling 15-20k a week is gonna catch up with a 15 million headstart. |
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| dividePower said: Shush with doom-calling, see first month Vita performance in the West before we decide whether it's screwed for life or not okay? Still too early to doom the Vita even if it failed in Japan. There's still the rest of the world. Japan's only 1 out of the 200 countries out there. |
But it's the most important country where PSP was relevant. PSP died in Europe and USA, but had a healthy life in Japan, losing Japan is a very important blow to Sony.
pezus said:
It hasn't "lost" Japan. Give it time and a few great games and sales will skyrocket just like they did for 3DS. It's not like 3DS was the hottest device ever before the big hits came out |
Yup, it's true that Sony can recover it, it will be very tough, but they can. What I'm implying is that he can't say it's only one out of two hundred countries out there, as it's not a huge blow to Sony the low sales of Vita. Is like MS makes an horrible launch of the X720, and people say it's only one of 200 countries out there.
Silly thread. Nintendo will continue to have games turned out by 3rd parties on this thing at a rate of 4-1 vs Vita. Most of those will be crap, but the massive list of games that parents can buy for their kids for $20 at Christmas will help seal Vita's fate. $170 + $40(real Nintendo game) or +$20(Games like "My baby can dance" or "Circlejurk, Diamond Questing") will beat out $250 +$30 Memory card + $40 game. Sorry, cash matters.
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| Moonhero said: Silly thread. Nintendo will continue to have games turned out by 3rd parties on this thing at a rate of 4-1 vs Vita. Most of those will be crap, but the massive list of games that parents can buy for their kids for $20 at Christmas will help seal Vita's fate. $170 + $40(real Nintendo game) or +$20(Games like "My baby can dance" or "Circlejurk, Diamond Questing") will beat out $250 +$30 Memory card + $40 game. Sorry, cash matters. |
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Still think Nintendo pulled a fast one on Sony by dropping the price so soon... People expect it will happen to the Vita too thus making people hesitant of buying it.."
^^^^ This such a qick price drop after launch has a great many consumers even more worried about getting shafted by being an early adopter.
Why shouldn't I count rayman origins as a port or multiplatform game? thats stupid . your in denial if you think that
cause thats like me saying zelda ocarina of time is exclusive to the 3DS when in reality it is not
but then again it is not available on a handheld . besides 3DS but rayman origins is -lol as of march it will be on 3ds and pc/laptops!
so ya . not exactly exclusive
and as stated in my original post
The original DS library is compatible with 3ds so that gives everyone alot of games from the get go the vita how ever unless you bought a psp go or have downloaded your games. youll have to rebuy your whole collection if its available -no parent is going to want to do that and I know very little people who are grown who want to do that either.
the cheap games are already available on the 3ds ive seen harvest moon for 20 bucks -and thats no shovel ware lol plus that big back log for those who had not got every ds game . and then virtual console is available w gb gbc nes games so far and original 3ds ware/dsi ware there is no competition for that sorry . so again you probably better off predicting good sales not over taking the 3 DS cause thats just a stretch
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RolStoppable said: 1) and 2) We are getting more and more in the territory of personal opinion and gut feeling here, so let's just wait a couple of months and see how it plays out. That's a better option than just repeating our point of view over and over again. Granted, the PSV does have more games than the PSP that are worth considering a purchase, but except for Uncharted, none of them seem big enough to make people want the system immediately. 3) Same as above. By the way, launch window usually refers to the timeframe from launch to three months later. 4) That's a lot of work you did there, but I think it's kinda missing the point. Out of the 19 games that performed significantly better in the West, 19 have always performed significantly better in the West. No outliers here. But there are a few games that have historically performed better in the West and then on the PSP performed better in Japan. But more specifically, the original point here was that Japanese gamers are more accepting of handheld gaming while Western gamers often see it as second rate gaming. Instead of just comparing the sales of PSP games between the different territories, you should compare the sales of PSP games to the sales of their respective home console counterparts in each territory. Japanese PSP releases in general should be fairly close to home console releases of the same series while in America and Europe you should see significant dropoffs. 5) Okay. 6) Okay. 7) If you make the suggested sales comparisons of point 4), you'll see that it holds true that Western gamers prefer to play blockbuster games on a big screen. The only way Sony could get the DS audience is if Nintendo messed up big time. Mistakes on price and software lineup on Nintendo's part would make the DS audience up for grabs. Nintendo made these mistakes, but Sony was incapable of capitalizing on it for several reasons. Nintendo's head start, Nintendo correcting the mistakes sufficiently by now (although not completely) and Sony setting themselves up to repeat Nintendo's mistakes on price and software lineup. Right now the 3DS has a clear advantage when it comes to price and software lineup and it looks like that advantage will only be growing in the foreseeable future. By the time Sony gets there, Nintendo will have a lock on the DS audience. The recently announced 2D Mario game is scheduled for a 2012 release, that's about how long Sony has to close the gap. They aren't going to pull this off, it's simply not enough time. But since you brought up a crossover between two audiences, why not look at the reverse case? What if Nintendo managed to get both the DS and PSP audience to buy the 3DS? This would put Sony at an even greater disadvantage and Nintendo indeed already has Monster Hunter exclusivity and Resident Evil: Revelations, games that should be very appealing to the PSP audience. It's unlikely that Nintendo can sell to everyone, but by the looks of it, they are on track to at least absorb some of Sony's userbase. |
Okay for 1), 2) and 3), let's follow the trends as usual and see if either is right (if you're cool with that).
Thanks for your suggestion in 4). I may just do that and post it here later today, as a final view on the point. I think ultimately you are right, but I just think it was a little overly weighing to your end. With data we'll rectify perspective, you will be right, but at least have a more balanced view. I'll try to help and post that later. When I do, I'll edit this post and PM you.
7) You bring up excellent points. For this, as for 1), 2), and 3), numbers cannot guarantee. I still think it can go both ways personally, but that's given the games we see on 3DS as you mentioned (Nintendo capturing Sony core), and my view on the appeal of games like LBP and the indie touch games, as well as UC (Sony captivating some of the mass). Ultimately my guess is it should even out, with Nintendo losing a bit of market compared to last gen, and Sony having a small jump compared to last gen.
Last-point) The pirate userbase of the PSP did not foster game sales at a significant volume, other than sales attributed to the core base. I believe the Vita will have a totally different userbase (as well as the original PSP core), one which fosters sales. My prediction is that the Vita will at least have a much better attach ratio. I'm guessing something like 6 to 7, in contrast with PSP's 3.75. This should translate into healthy revenue for Sony, as SW sales are generally where the bulk of the profits lie. More revenue means better morale, better games forstered by cash and morale, better word of mouth and better advertising. I think Sony will profit to our surprise. Time will tell.
the 3ds beat the first ds in its 1st year ...i just dont belive what nintendo is saying ...
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