xKratosWitAGunx said: Troll_Whisperer said: xKratosWitAGunx said: EVERYTHING is more expensive here in Mexico, heck when uncharted 3 comes out ill be paying around 800 pesos(about 75 dollars) but anything for the "game of the generation" =] I wish Uncharted 3 was $75 in Europe. We pay €70, which is about $100. well I guess I can't complain then haha damn and I thought I had it bad

Relative to the average wages, I'm sure you have it worse. So you can still complain

Its an insane price. The whole premise of this 3D TV was that it was affordable and considerably cheaper than other alternatives but clearly its not. Considering that 3D TV prices are falling rapidly, im sure you can buy a 3D TV for a lower price.

Out of interest, what games is the tv coming with? Just Motorstorm: A or are there any other games bundled with it like NA.

yeh i saw this the other day and in the UK its like £450 or something insane? i was like what thhheeee fuck?

SamuelRSmith said: yo_john117 said: SamuelRSmith said: yo_john117 said: Wow that's spendy! Europeans sure get the shaft when it comes to prices of things. I hope you guys make more money than the rest of the world to make up for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita Wow most European countries are below the US... Yep, exactly. You lucky Americans tend to make 12,000 more international dollars a year than us Brits.... and I don't think PPP factors in tax rates, so a higher percentage of our money also gets taken away.

Not that easy. First the fact that the US has A few super rich Billionaires (400 guys are richer then the first half of USA combined) Meaning 400 people have more money then 150 Million Americans together!

Makes this capita thing relative also the International Dollar = 1 Dollar and the calculations how much an International Dollar is for every country depends on complex calculations and in the end the result is debatable. Those listings have no real value what so ever without the 400 richest americans the USA would plumet to the upper middle of the list. Or does every american get 47000 a year. from babies to 90 year olds everyone makes 47000 ? Those lists are worthless and I cant say anything with this figure except that the USA makes a ton of money only thing is who actually has the money ?

How the wealth is spread over the inhabitants thats important. I dont think Europeans have much too moan about when it comes to prices my experience says americans are either drowning in money or have a poor lifestandard. I mean 3 fucking jobs just to live a regular life wtf ? I would shoot myself

To OP bad offer 300 Bucks more and you get a 50 inch Panasonic 3D.

Troll_Whisperer said: xKratosWitAGunx said: Troll_Whisperer said: xKratosWitAGunx said: EVERYTHING is more expensive here in Mexico, heck when uncharted 3 comes out ill be paying around 800 pesos(about 75 dollars) but anything for the "game of the generation" =] I wish Uncharted 3 was $75 in Europe. We pay €70, which is about $100. well I guess I can't complain then haha damn and I thought I had it bad Relative to the average wages, I'm sure you have it worse. So you can still complain

tho' i have to admit that i didnt see a 70€game for a long time now. sure, many many store's do offer their games at those prices, but for 95% of them, they can be found for 10€ less in a store that specializes into Video Games. even our German Gamestops offer new releases mostly at 59,99€.

Netyaroze said: SamuelRSmith said: yo_john117 said: SamuelRSmith said: yo_john117 said: Wow that's spendy! Europeans sure get the shaft when it comes to prices of things. I hope you guys make more money than the rest of the world to make up for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita Wow most European countries are below the US... Yep, exactly. You lucky Americans tend to make 12,000 more international dollars a year than us Brits.... and I don't think PPP factors in tax rates, so a higher percentage of our money also gets taken away. Not that easy. First the fact that the US has A few super rich Billionaires (400 guys are richer then the first half of USA combined) Meaning 400 people have more money then 150 Million Americans together!   Makes this capita thing relative also the International Dollar = 1 Dollar and the calculations how much an International Dollar is for every country depends on complex calculations and in the end the result is debatable. Those listings have no real value what so ever without the 400 richest americans the USA would plumet to the upper middle of the list. Or does every american get 47000 a year. from babies to 90 year olds everyone makes 47000 ? Those lists are worthless and I cant say anything with this figure except that the USA makes a ton of money only thing is who actually has the money ?   How the wealth is spread over the inhabitants thats important. I dont think Europeans have much too moan about when it comes to prices my experience says americans are either drowning in money or have a poor lifestandard. I mean 3 fucking jobs just to live a regular life wtf ? I would shoot myself   To OP bad offer 300 Bucks more and you get a 50 inch Panasonic 3D.

Europe has the super wealthy, as well, and the super-poor. In the UK, 1/5th of the population live in social housing. Yes, the gini coefficient suggests that the USA has a greater gap between rich and poor than Europe, but it misses out on one very important piece of the pie, and that's who comprises those rich and poor.

Poor households in the USA tend to be those who are fresh migrants, and young workers. The richest Americans tend to be those who have been working for 30-40 years. Americans, often-times, start out poor, and get rich as they progress through their careers. If you were to look at the typical poor household in, say, the 1970s, and then look at that family again today, you'll notice that it probably wouldn't be a "poor" household, anymore. Yes, you have the super-wealthy, but as long as they get their wealth legitimately (that is, without Government handouts), they should be applauded, not despised.

The situation in Europe is slightly different, people don't start out as poor, but they also don't become as rich. This explains both the PPP data which I posted above, the gini data which you were alluding to.

But, you're right, PPP isn't perfect, but it's pretty much the best means of measurement that we have. The gini tells us very little about standard of living.

Crystalchild said: Troll_Whisperer said: xKratosWitAGunx said: Troll_Whisperer said: xKratosWitAGunx said: EVERYTHING is more expensive here in Mexico, heck when uncharted 3 comes out ill be paying around 800 pesos(about 75 dollars) but anything for the "game of the generation" =] I wish Uncharted 3 was $75 in Europe. We pay €70, which is about $100. well I guess I can't complain then haha damn and I thought I had it bad Relative to the average wages, I'm sure you have it worse. So you can still complain tho' i have to admit that i didnt see a 70€game for a long time now. sure, many many store's do offer their games at those prices, but for 95% of them, they can be found for 10€ less in a store that specializes into Video Games. even our German Gamestops offer new releases mostly at 59,99€.

At least in Spain most stores still charge full price, though it's probably different in other EU countries. Those are the official prices anyway.

Either way, the best option is importing from the UK!

I agree we all get shafted in the EU but hey it could be worse we all could get charged australian prices....

Its mainly due to TAXES.... AND THAT SITUATION IS NOT GETTING ANY BETTER ANYTIME SOON

kowenicki said: Kynes said: 2 things we shouldn't forget. VAT and the 6-14% EU Tariff to the LCD panels not assembled in a country of the EU. how does that justify a price that makes it relatively much more expensive than other panels and tv's that are also subject to VAT and also from outside the EU? You can pick up a very, very good 3dtv - 51inch for £749 in the UK at the moment.  Compare that to this... its a rip off pure and simple.

And good high end non 3d computer display will cost you 400 euro

disolitude said: justinian said: This is no different from anything else. Cars, all types of electronics, services, etc. Why fly first class when standard class gets you same place? Why eat in a Michelin star restaurant when McDonalds fulls your stomach just as well? Why buy a Bentley when a Yugo gets you from A to B? Why buy iPhone when you can get an Android one free on contract? People continue to do all the above so..... Why buy this Sony TV when you can get one cheaper that does the same thing? There are people with money that does all the above if most of you don't. Sony is not aiming to sell this TV to some broke arsed consumer anymore than Ferrari or Rolex seek out the "poor" to buy their products. The aim is not to take over the world with the TV, it is for the minority that can afford to pay for it. Your analogy is valid except for one thing...this thing is crap. Its not a premium product at all. Its the Mcdonalds of 3D technology at a premium price. You're better off buying one of these which work for all HDMI 1.4 devices and support Full 1080p PC 3D which Sony monitor doesn't. http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/acer-brings-hn274h-and-hs244hq-3d-monitors-to-the-us-motorbikes/ There are other options too like this which support both technologies - http://www.viewsonic.com/products/v3d245.htm

Sorry to hijack the thread, but given that you know more than me about this things, I'm planning to buy a secondary TV and I've seen the LG DM2350 with passive 3D for less than 300 €.

I've had LG TVs before and they are ok but, is passive 3D any good?