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gamelover2000 said:
Dr.Grass said:
gamelover2000 said:

May I ask what religion you practice?

If you practice Christianity I find it highly stupifying you count meditation as a religious practice because it's never mentioned in the bible... It's a practice to find inner peace trough silence and relaxation.. there is nothing religious about meditation... even if it is used in religions.

and incase you did not notice, thi si snot a religion vs atheism debate..

this is an islam vs christianity vs jewism vs atheism vs buddhism vs etc.

All religions say they are the only right religion... sounds like russian roulette VS sanity to me.

''All religions say they are the only right religion.''

That's not true at all. That is not applicable to any of the traditions of India. Different practices have different results.

I am not practicing at the moment, but I stayed in a Vaisnava monastary for 3 years (half of that time in India).



It's possible I am wrong about that but they imply it to say the least... how could they say: it's like this but the other beliefs are right too!, that makes no sense...

In the same way chemistry, physics, mathematics, biology, etc. all study the truth of Nature...

Bhagavad Gita 4.11

ye yatha mam prapadyante
tams tathaiva bhajamy aham
mama vartmanuvartante
manushyah partha sarvasah

That means that God reciprocates to everyone depending on the way you approach Him. All religions are included. It is presented as a science of personal realization, not some 'group' you become part of based on faith.

I don't really like going all scriptural, but that verse clearly says:''As one approaches Me I reciprocate.'' This theme is everywhere in these teachings. You get what you deserve.

How does that not make sense!? Seems pretty common sense to me. What doesn't make sense is the sectarian religions of today.



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Religion is more of an idea, less something you can prove and asking someone to prove that shows how little you understand about religion.

Also, it's silly to pretend that your belief or idea can be the only correct one. Slightly off topic, but back in college I had a girl friend call me on the phone crying because she honestly believed her roommate was going to Hell. She knew this because the girl was Buddhist or some Asian religion (it's been too long and I care too little) and my then girlfriend knew that she was wrong. When I asked her how she knew she went into a rant about she knew God existed because she felt him, saw him perform miracles, etc.

I thought for a second, and then asked what if she knew the same thing? Or rather, what if someone said to her those same things to her about another god? Which one is right?

In the end, it doesn't matter who is right. They believe what they believe. Them believe in a different god doesn't change what you believe and as long as they're still a good person, then isn't it alright?

So back on topic, kind of, it doesn't matter if we can't prove to you explicitly that God exists. The simple fact is we can't and you probably know that. What matters is what each of believe, whether that's belief in the one true God or no god at all, and working towards being a good person.

Now all that said, why does it matter to you so much that we prove God exists?  To everyone else getting upset, don't worry about it so much.  What does it matter if he doesn't believe in God because he can't explicitely prove he exists?  It's his choice and it doesn't affect your beliefs one bit.  I understand religion is a touchy subject but please don't let the little things bother you so much.  You have your faith and a simple forum thread shouldn't shake that. 



twesterm said:

Religion is more of an idea, less something you can prove and asking someone to prove that shows how little you understand about religion.

Also, it's silly to pretend that your belief or idea can be the only correct one. Slightly off topic, but back in college I had a girl friend call me on the phone crying because she honestly believed her roommate was going to Hell. She knew this because the girl was Buddhist or some Asian religion (it's been too long and I care too little) and my then girlfriend knew that she was wrong. When I asked her how she knew she went into a rant about she knew God existed because she felt him, saw him perform miracles, etc.

I thought for a second, and then asked what if she knew the same thing? Or rather, what if someone said to her those same things to her about another god? Which one is right?

In the end, it doesn't matter who is right. They believe what they believe. Them believe in a different god doesn't change what you believe and as long as they're still a good person, then isn't it alright?

So back on topic, kind of, it doesn't matter if we can't prove to you explicitly that God exists. The simple fact is we can't and you probably know that. What matters is what each of believe, whether that's belief in the one true God or no god at all, and working towards being a good person.

Now all that said, why does it matter to you so much that we prove God exists?  To everyone else getting upset, don't worry about it so much.  What does it matter if he doesn't believe in God because he can't explicitely prove he exists?  It's his choice and it doesn't affect your beliefs one bit.  I understand religion is a touchy subject but please don't let the little things bother you so much.  You have your faith and a simple forum thread shouldn't shake that. 

I like this post.



Religion changed, just like the world changed.
People tend to "believe" in God when they get older and need something to believe in these days. When friends and family die, when unjustice is done. So religion, church and all is a good thing because it helps people to get over something because there is hope. You can't prove anything about it. Humans don't understand/know a lot of things, science is only putting the world into things that we can understand.
I don't know for sure but I think it's different in the US. It's kind of weird how they "believe" and think it's all good when you go to church on sundays (at least that's what all your TV shows tell us lol).

* this is all "where I'm from"



Rainbird said:
Dr.Grass said:

But as always, I wonder if anyone will even bother to read this wall of text. Anyways, if you are intrigued at all, then I can most certainly advise some books - unchanged for thousands of years - that I am certain will prove to be something like you've never encountered before - at least.

Peace out man.

You've got me intrigued at the very least!

I've never studied much in the spiritual realm, but I've been searching for a belief I could accept as complete, or at least wholesome. Currently my spiritual beliefs revolve around the ideas put forth by Raymond Holliwell in "Working with the Law", but I'm always looking for something that can be even better!


Rule of thumb - Avoid the internet and just study scriptures for the sake of acquiring knowledge. Its supposed to be a personal journey, so don't ruin it for yourself by talking about it too much with idiots on forums



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Ostro said:
Religion changed, just like the world changed.
People tend to "believe" in God when they get older and need something to believe in these days. When friends and family die, when unjustice is done. So religion, church and all is a good thing because it helps people to get over something because there is hope. You can't prove anything about it. Humans don't understand/know a lot of things, science is only putting the world into things that we can understand.
I don't know for sure but I think it's different in the US. It's kind of weird how they "believe" and think it's all good when you go to church on sundays (at least that's what all your TV shows tell us lol).

* this is all "where I'm from"


your kidding? "Humans don't understand/know a lot of things"

 

Mankind is amazingly intelligent aslong as it is raised in an enviroment that provokes thinking and creativity. Mankind can be very simplistic at time but the sheer fact we have developed a language all the way to an actual computer shows that we are capable of achieving so much as long as we work together instead of basing our beliefs on made-up fearie tales.



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wait i have a question. WHat makes science true? In a way Science is pretty much its own religion. Atheism could be its own religion. Believing 2 dimensional numbers (which in a technical perspective are not real just like time), patterns, and basically believe an equation is an answer to the universe. Telling others how they are wrong and that you are right and giving excuses why it may be correct. Yep kind of sound like its own religion to me and its actually growing!

 

In most religions GOD is a supreme diety

 

In the Scientific Religion GOD is numbers and patterns.

 

Yep im just gonna go with what i believe in becuase basically science, although very helpful, definately does not hold the answers to the universe.



Dr.Grass said:
Rainbird said:
Dr.Grass said:

But as always, I wonder if anyone will even bother to read this wall of text. Anyways, if you are intrigued at all, then I can most certainly advise some books - unchanged for thousands of years - that I am certain will prove to be something like you've never encountered before - at least.

Peace out man.

You've got me intrigued at the very least!

I've never studied much in the spiritual realm, but I've been searching for a belief I could accept as complete, or at least wholesome. Currently my spiritual beliefs revolve around the ideas put forth by Raymond Holliwell in "Working with the Law", but I'm always looking for something that can be even better!

Rule of thumb - Avoid the internet and just study scriptures for the sake of acquiring knowledge. Its supposed to be a personal journey, so don't ruin it for yourself by talking about it too much with idiots on forums

I'll just talk to the ones who seem to have a sense of direction at least. Hell, I went back to the book to find a few quotes after I read your post, which reminded me of how much I've actually neglected my spirituality lately. First thing will be re-reading "Working with the Law". ^_^



Dr. Grass.... We've met quite often on these forums and I'd honestly have to say we were quite often on opposing sides on a matter but you've spot on hit everything I've wanted to share in this thread. I don't normally get into religious debates (and I won't here either) nor speak much about my religious backing and knowledge (I am Hindu btw) but from reading peoples' comments on religion around the site for months now you've expressed just about every thought and piece of knowledge I have that I would have shared in response to my discussion readings.

Thank you for sharing with others what I've decided not to as I feel people should know more about it but would not like to deal with the response or backlash it may create.



Rainbird said:
Dr.Grass said:
Rainbird said:
Dr.Grass said:

But as always, I wonder if anyone will even bother to read this wall of text. Anyways, if you are intrigued at all, then I can most certainly advise some books - unchanged for thousands of years - that I am certain will prove to be something like you've never encountered before - at least.

Peace out man.

You've got me intrigued at the very least!

I've never studied much in the spiritual realm, but I've been searching for a belief I could accept as complete, or at least wholesome. Currently my spiritual beliefs revolve around the ideas put forth by Raymond Holliwell in "Working with the Law", but I'm always looking for something that can be even better!

Rule of thumb - Avoid the internet and just study scriptures for the sake of acquiring knowledge. Its supposed to be a personal journey, so don't ruin it for yourself by talking about it too much with idiots on forums

I'll just talk to the ones who seem to have a sense of direction at least. Hell, I went back to the book to find a few quotes after I read your post, which reminded me of how much I've actually neglected my spirituality lately. First thing will be re-reading "Working with the Law". ^_^

Yeah its very, very hard.

I'll give ''Working with the Law'' a read. It looks very good.