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I want to say, this is NOT a troll thread, I'm not looking to piss people off nor am I demanding perfection of the imperfect.  I am, however, looking for some answers. 

Religion is a huge part of modern culture, there's no denying this.  People go to church, say "god bless you", and generally seem to be okay with believing in it and accept it at face value.   But a lot of this is a pervasive remnant of a culture that should have died 60 years ago.  We are living in an age of enlightenment, where more and more of the universe is being discovered and Science is contributing to this world more and more, so it's less and less rational to believe in something like God.  In a world where we need absolute, undeniable proof of something before we believe it (pics or it didn't happen, not to mention many people are actively resisting Stem Cell research because much of the limited research so far has been largely inconclusive), it's a very biased attitude to be fine with having faith in god without that same demand for proof.  

so I submit that, if people the world over want to continue to not only run their lives based off an archaic belief system but control the rest of the people by pushing those views, I propose we demand empirical evidence of god.  Any God.  

And no, "you can't prove that God exists, this isn't fair" isn't an adequate response. Being okay with having faith or twisting logic so that "it's all a test" is not good enough, if Religion is to persist in the modern world it should be subject to the same criticism and rigorous testing the rest of our lives demand. Religion should not be given a free pass simply because it's been a part of our social collective for so long, without progress we stagnate, so if you're going to cling to those beliefs without proof, then at least try to substantiate it. 

So go, offer proof. Hell, even rational theories will do, I honestly want to hear them, but expect skepticism.  

Edit!  New Rules! 

 

Whoooooah boys, time to back it up a bit. I'm thinking this thread needs a PROPER reboot, since it's been so thoroughly derailed. Instead of being vague, HOPING for things to go the way I want them to go so I can make my point, I think now's about the time I give this thread a gritty reboot, and I make things clear for once.

 

I do NOT have a problem with religious people, some of my best friends and family are very religious, and I find their company to mostly be delightful since they're all “I wanna do good in this life so I can be happy in the next” types. Religion CAN breed some of the nicest, kindest people in the world, bar none. I do not deny this and giving that impression was NEVER my intention. That said, what I DO have a problem with is people shoving their religion in my face. I have a problem with people who use god or religion as an excuse to judge others. I have a problem with people who go door to door pushing their beliefs down your throat. I have a problem with terrorists who are pushing their beliefs and judgement on others VIOLENTLY. I have a problem with the Westboro baptist church. I have a problem with any religious person in the world who in any way feels it's their duty or right to say “This is what I believe, therefore I must make you believe it too”, regardless of the aggression present in said actions.

 

I don't like the idea of religion, it's too easy to corrupt and it makes it far to easy to skirt responsibility. That said, if you believe in a god, goddesses, or spirits, ALL THE POWER TO YOU, just keep it to yourself. The moment ANYONE decides to push faith as fact (God IS this, God IS that, God WANTS us to do this, etc), I demand three stages of proof. If people want to keep making grand assumptions and basing their life on it, telling me to do the same, I demand the following:

 

1 – Prove that God is real, or at least provide some solid evidence to support that theory.


3 – Prove that your interpretations about that god are real, not just baseless assumptions.

2 – Prove that YOUR god is the right one, by comparing evidence for yours compared to others.

If you cannot provide supporting evidence to back up all three claims, then leave your faith where it belongs: in your heart. Do not push it as fact, do not try to teach it in schools, do not run your political campaign using it, and most certainly, do not use it to judge, belittle, or terrorize others. Do not use it as infallible moral guidance, do not tell others how to live their lives, and do not claim that religion has all the answers unless you can prove it.

Faith is an extremely personal thing. I like a LOT of strange things, I like weird food, I like weird art, and I like a lot of things in life that most would just find strange and irrational, but just because I find comfort in my various tastes does not mean that, in any way, do I have a right to push those opinions and values on others. No exceptions.   



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Alright you say this thread isn't supposed to be insulting and is supposed to be intelligent. Yet you already know that nobody can prove God exists and the premice of your thread is people aren't allowed to give you the most educated response. Anybody with a basic education knows that you can't prove or disprove the existance of God , trying to do so is futile.

So I'm going to call your bluff. This thread's intent is obviously hostile in nature and meant to draw users into a debate they cannot win. You know that these users arguments will be flawed because as I said above their is no way of proving or disproving the existance of God. This is a bait thread and your hoping some users actually come on so you and other users can target them.

This thread should be closed immediatly if you truly back what you said in the OP. Your one of the writers I suggest you contact a Mod and have it closed. I will be reporting it as well as a flame bait thread , because thats exactly what it is.

Don't like my response, I'm sorry but as a writer for VGChartz you have to have some integrity, you can't go out and violate VGChartz policies or make a thread with the soul purpose of insulting users. This is very low and I hope you take what I say seriously and contact a mod immediatly before this thread gets out of hand!



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Joelcool7 said:

Alright you say this thread isn't supposed to be insulting and is supposed to be intelligent. Yet you already know that nobody can prove God exists and the premice of your thread is people aren't allowed to give you the most educated response. Anybody with a basic education knows that you can't prove or disprove the existance of God , trying to do so is futile.

So I'm going to call your bluff. This thread's intent is obviously hostile in nature and meant to draw users into a debate they cannot win. You know that these users arguments will be flawed because as I said above their is no way of proving or disproving the existance of God. This is a bait thread and your hoping some users actually come on so you and other users can target them.

This thread should be closed immediatly if you truly back what you said in the OP. Your one of the writers I suggest you contact a Mod and have it closed. I will be reporting it as well as a flame bait thread , because thats exactly what it is.

Don't like my response, I'm sorry but as a writer for VGChartz you have to have some integrity, you can't go out and violate VGChartz policies or make a thread with the soul purpose of insulting users. This is very low and I hope you take what I say seriously and contact a mod immediatly before this thread gets out of hand!


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Joelcool7 came in with the BIG guns lol

OT: let me just say i know the whole mind of an athiest and i STILL believe that their is a god

i dont really follow religion because all religion is corrupt imo (by the people) but i STILL believe that their is a god

i know the main reason's why most people turn athiest or agnostic is because of

1.)Planets
2.)Dinosaurs
3.)when they notice how corrupt their religion is
4.)the whole evolution thing and big bang theory

but i digress



Who disables the light when you close the refrigerator door?

Have you ever hole-punched a piece of paper, only to have the remains disappear magicly?

How about when you grab a Kleenex from a Kleenex container. Somehow the next Kleenex always pops up, almost.... like magic?

These are all acts of god, and there are plenty more of them. If he didn't exist, we would be drowned in hole remains & we would only be able to use one Kleenex from a container.

These Godly acts occur billion times a milli-second. You just have to open your eyes and accept the obvious works of the lord.



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I assure you, this is not for flaming or inciting a riot, but I do personally feel that religion should be held to the same standards that science and all other aspects of culture should, I have had some enlightening conversations in the past as far as philosophy and religion are concerned, and I'm curious to see if anyone can match that brilliance.

If you think this thread will devolve into a flame war, or that it's just meant to bait people into a fight, then perhaps that's more of a statement about the maturity of the forum users than me.

So let's get philisophical! Ideally we should get some proofs up here, but philosophy is a good start.



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Joelcool7 said:

Alright you say this thread isn't supposed to be insulting and is supposed to be intelligent. Yet you already know that nobody can prove God exists and the premice of your thread is people aren't allowed to give you the most educated response. Anybody with a basic education knows that you can't prove or disprove the existance of God , trying to do so is futile.

So I'm going to call your bluff. This thread's intent is obviously hostile in nature and meant to draw users into a debate they cannot win. You know that these users arguments will be flawed because as I said above their is no way of proving or disproving the existance of God. This is a bait thread and your hoping some users actually come on so you and other users can target them.

This thread should be closed immediatly if you truly back what you said in the OP. Your one of the writers I suggest you contact a Mod and have it closed. I will be reporting it as well as a flame bait thread , because thats exactly what it is.

Don't like my response, I'm sorry but as a writer for VGChartz you have to have some integrity, you can't go out and violate VGChartz policies or make a thread with the soul purpose of insulting users. This is very low and I hope you take what I say seriously and contact a mod immediatly before this thread gets out of hand!

I don't really follow religion but I agree with this 100%.



 

 

 

The very fact that you can't prove or disprove god's existence proves he is not real. Religion has never predicted anything or has it said things wich were later found to be true but it has said multiple things wich later were proven untrue.

Religion is a scam and it's not easy to figure out.

Your father ends up in hospital with lung cancer.

you pray to god to help him

father get's cured - MIRACLE!
father dies - God's will.

Why pray in the first place?

Religion is there to control people and make them fear their actions, religious people are apparently so afraid of dying they NEED to believe there is something after life.

Religion is bullshit, it's a faerie tale.. I am so glad we found out about this in Western Europe so we could get on to real issues such as gun control, health care and education.



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I've been steering clear of these discussions, because, quite frankly, no good can come from them. However, I feel it is a little unfair to demand the closure of the thread because it appears to take an atheist standpoint, while there are enormous threads, which are allowed to run and run, which have been started from a viewpoint of the faithful. It's clearly double standards and unless every discussion on religion is closed (whatever happened to freedom of speech?) then this should be allowed to stay, IMO.

I discovered something interesting the other week - it is possible to have an Xbox Live motto "God Is Great", but you are not allowed "God Is Not Great". People should either be free to express their opinion without persecution or exclusion or not at all. I side with the former, no matter how annoying I personally find it.



Thank you PoundHound.

I've had plenty of intelligent, calm debates and discussions with friends of mine about the philisophical and scientific implications of God's existence, and it'd be insulting to assume I Was unable to have an equally intelligent discussion here just because it's a forum.

Yes I am an Atheist, yes I dislike religion, but all I'm asking for here is a little equality. I'm asking for people to come forward with their reasons for believing in God in an era where so many things are demanded to be proven. Nothing can be taken on faith and even when we have proof of something (Climate Change, for example), it's still not good enough. All I'm asking is for people to take a step back from their own beliefs to actually think about why they believe, and maybe offer some insight to both sides of the coin.

I am only asking that Religion, Spirituality, God, and all forms of faith be subject to the same scrutiny that the scientific community has.

Personally, the strongest support I've seen for the existence of a god is that He is not in fact a divine creature, but a metaphor for the unknown. I'll let people dwell on that a bit before elaborating.



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