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worldlyfall said:
o_O.Q said:
worldlyfall said:
mchaza said:
i fought this was going to be about cross platform in that PC-360. Tho PC-360 would fail out of the gate because of games for windows live.

Anyways i see no difference between steam and xbox live other than steam is free. I lol every day at idiotic fanboys defend live cost, they are like sheep. A bit off topic but overall this is just the same old same old out of MS, next week we will hear that a sony top guy is saying that the ps3 is the most powerful system blah blah.

People like you are just pathetic, insulting others because they see the value in something that you don't. I am a pc gamer and I used steam, but I also use to use Live. From my experience what i can tell you is that live has much more content and games than steam. Yes they basically do the same thing which is playing games online, but I found Live to be much more enjoyable with social aspect built into the service. I can understand if you like being a loner online, playing in complete silence cause the sound caused by drop of a pin will make you go complete apeshit and distract you from the game, but believe it or not there are a lot of people you like to socialize in online gaming with their friends or trash talking random kids online.

Remember dude each to his own, everyone has their opinion including you, so learn how to respect it.

 

that would be a valid point if voice chat wasn't supported on psn... but it is... just no cgc

furthermore when did playing games become socialising? when someone goes to a party or the beach or movies etc thats socialising i'd hardly call sitting around at home playing games scialising but thats my opinion

Communicating with people on Xbox Live is superior to psn in ever single way no questions asked.

And to answer your question playing games online became social when you were first able to connect it to the internet. You don't need to physical meet people to socialize(which i pefer to do anyways). If things like facebook and twitter are considered social apps, why cant Live?

Dont want to get too off-topic with this but i should point out that when people talk about the ps3 crossplatform means CROSS-PLATFORM as in pc and ps3 connectivity (i.e. Dust 514) which i think is a big advantage for the ps3. I have not played xbox and you may be right about its features being better than steam and psn but the fact that psn is free is what i like about it (it played a big factor in why i bought the platform). From what i have heard only 12 million of the 35 million xbox live users have the gold subscription meaning that you, a proponent of the pay system, are actually a minority on your own platform so clearly while it may be very good in your opinion, clearly the majority of xbox owners dont feel the same way. I would be interested in a survey of xbox/psn/steam users which surveyed how satisfied they were with their online services - i suspect xbox live would be last simply on price.



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worldlyfall said:
mchaza said:
i fought this was going to be about cross platform in that PC-360. Tho PC-360 would fail out of the gate because of games for windows live.

Anyways i see no difference between steam and xbox live other than steam is free. I lol every day at idiotic fanboys defend live cost, they are like sheep. A bit off topic but overall this is just the same old same old out of MS, next week we will hear that a sony top guy is saying that the ps3 is the most powerful system blah blah.

People like you are just pathetic, insulting others because they see the value in something that you don't. I am a pc gamer and I used steam, but I also use to use Live. From my experience what i can tell you is that live has much more content and games than steam. Yes they basically do the same thing which is playing games online, but I found Live to be much more enjoyable with social aspect built into the service. I can understand if you like being a loner online, playing in complete silence cause the sound caused by drop of a pin will make you go complete apeshit and distract you from the game, but believe it or not there are a lot of people you like to socialize in online gaming with their friends or trash talking random kids online.

Remember dude each to his own, everyone has their opinion including you, so learn how to respect it.

 

It's all politicall correctness what you say. I'm not afraid to say I'd feel like a looser if i had to start paying for online after 10 years of gaming for free on my PC.

And could you care to expand what aspect of xbox live is superior to pc gaming systems like steam or ventrillo ? Because as pc gamer I'm sure you know that we had voice chat independent of games for years before microsoft borrowed another idea from pc world.



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Zlejedi said:
worldlyfall said:
mchaza said:
i fought this was going to be about cross platform in that PC-360. Tho PC-360 would fail out of the gate because of games for windows live.

Anyways i see no difference between steam and xbox live other than steam is free. I lol every day at idiotic fanboys defend live cost, they are like sheep. A bit off topic but overall this is just the same old same old out of MS, next week we will hear that a sony top guy is saying that the ps3 is the most powerful system blah blah.

People like you are just pathetic, insulting others because they see the value in something that you don't. I am a pc gamer and I used steam, but I also use to use Live. From my experience what i can tell you is that live has much more content and games than steam. Yes they basically do the same thing which is playing games online, but I found Live to be much more enjoyable with social aspect built into the service. I can understand if you like being a loner online, playing in complete silence cause the sound caused by drop of a pin will make you go complete apeshit and distract you from the game, but believe it or not there are a lot of people you like to socialize in online gaming with their friends or trash talking random kids online.

Remember dude each to his own, everyone has their opinion including you, so learn how to respect it.

 

It's all politicall correctness what you say. I'm not afraid to say I'd feel like a looser if i had to start paying for online after 10 years of gaming for free on my PC.

And could you care to expand what aspect of xbox live is superior to pc gaming systems like steam or ventrillo ? Because as pc gamer I'm sure you know that we had voice chat independent of games for years before microsoft borrowed another idea from pc world.

I never said xbox live is better than PC gaming. PC gaming is better than console gaming all i said was when comparing steam and LIve, live has more content and games. Yes cause i am using a PC i can pretty much everything live can do for free but that not fair, since steam it self cannot do all the things live can do. I am fully aware what i can do on my PC.

I dont know why people complain so much about paying for live when there people out there who pay 10-30 a month to play one MMO on the PC. that 2-6 times the cost a live per month and your paying just to play one game.

 



fauzman said:
worldlyfall said:
o_O.Q said:
worldlyfall said:
mchaza said:
i fought this was going to be about cross platform in that PC-360. Tho PC-360 would fail out of the gate because of games for windows live.

Anyways i see no difference between steam and xbox live other than steam is free. I lol every day at idiotic fanboys defend live cost, they are like sheep. A bit off topic but overall this is just the same old same old out of MS, next week we will hear that a sony top guy is saying that the ps3 is the most powerful system blah blah.

People like you are just pathetic, insulting others because they see the value in something that you don't. I am a pc gamer and I used steam, but I also use to use Live. From my experience what i can tell you is that live has much more content and games than steam. Yes they basically do the same thing which is playing games online, but I found Live to be much more enjoyable with social aspect built into the service. I can understand if you like being a loner online, playing in complete silence cause the sound caused by drop of a pin will make you go complete apeshit and distract you from the game, but believe it or not there are a lot of people you like to socialize in online gaming with their friends or trash talking random kids online.

Remember dude each to his own, everyone has their opinion including you, so learn how to respect it.

 

that would be a valid point if voice chat wasn't supported on psn... but it is... just no cgc

furthermore when did playing games become socialising? when someone goes to a party or the beach or movies etc thats socialising i'd hardly call sitting around at home playing games scialising but thats my opinion

Communicating with people on Xbox Live is superior to psn in ever single way no questions asked.

And to answer your question playing games online became social when you were first able to connect it to the internet. You don't need to physical meet people to socialize(which i pefer to do anyways). If things like facebook and twitter are considered social apps, why cant Live?

Dont want to get too off-topic with this but i should point out that when people talk about the ps3 crossplatform means CROSS-PLATFORM as in pc and ps3 connectivity (i.e. Dust 514) which i think is a big advantage for the ps3. I have not played xbox and you may be right about its features being better than steam and psn but the fact that psn is free is what i like about it (it played a big factor in why i bought the platform). From what i have heard only 12 million of the 35 million xbox live users have the gold subscription meaning that you, a proponent of the pay system, are actually a minority on your own platform so clearly while it may be very good in your opinion, clearly the majority of xbox owners dont feel the same way. I would be interested in a survey of xbox/psn/steam users which surveyed how satisfied they were with their online services - i suspect xbox live would be last simply on price.

I respect your opinion i can understand that some people dont want to pay to get extra features cause there content on what they get with basic. As for the 12 million gold memebers that number is pretty old at least a couple of years. Over half of the Live subscriptions are gold. You cannot speak on behalf of the magority of xbox owners based on numbers. Cause if that the case i guess a majority of the playstation community think their exclusive suck since they barely sell compare to the console install base. As for the survey, i doubt i would be last. Live was not the victim of the largest hack in history.



BHR-3 said:

having multis on your console be superior will really get you far since most great games are multi now, gta rdr cod ect.

its really sad to see the console that was released later (PS3) not have the superior multis, this has always been a issue with PS consoles and continues again this gen. for costumers paying high amounts of $$$ for a PS3 compared to other consoles and then having to deal with inferior products its not good for sony b/c those costumers will feel more confident going with the xbox brand when buying time comes next gen

How is it sad that between two platforms, the one releasing last gets the worse versions of the game? I'd say it's quite natural. Developers got to work with the 360 sooner than they did with the PS3, so that's where they spent their energy and that's the architechture they got to know first.

It of course doesn't help that the PS3 architechture is so different compared to just about any platform developers have worked on over the years. 

So the PS3 recieving the worse versions of a game is down to the release timing of the consoles and Sony's wish of giving the PS3 some exotic new architechture. Simple as that.

@ OP 

And I agree, but only for now. Microsoft's use of Live on Windows Phone 7 definitely beats what Sony does with PSN on the PSP and Android. The tides may turn once the Vita releases though.



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Rainbird said:
BHR-3 said:

having multis on your console be superior will really get you far since most great games are multi now, gta rdr cod ect.

its really sad to see the console that was released later (PS3) not have the superior multis, this has always been a issue with PS consoles and continues again this gen. for costumers paying high amounts of $$$ for a PS3 compared to other consoles and then having to deal with inferior products its not good for sony b/c those costumers will feel more confident going with the xbox brand when buying time comes next gen

How is it sad that between two platforms, the one releasing last gets the worse versions of the game? I'd say it's quite natural. Developers got to work with the 360 sooner than they did with the PS3, so that's where they spent their energy and that's the architechture they got to know first.

It of course doesn't help that the PS3 architechture is so different compared to just about any platform developers have worked on over the years. 

So the PS3 recieving the worse versions of a game is down to the release timing of the consoles and Sony's wish of giving the PS3 some exotic new architechture. Simple as that.

@ OP 

And I agree, but only for now. Microsoft's use of Live on Windows Phone 7 definitely beats what Sony does with PSN on the PSP and Android. The tides may turn once the Vita releases though.


past two gen consoles that were released later had the superior multis xbox and gube vs ps2 and n64 vs ps1, i think it was the same case with the games that were on dreamcast that made there way to the ps2, the console that releases last should in theory be the most powerful resulting in superior multis

PS3's exotic new architecture hasnt paid off most all games do not even use its full bluray space and its not b/c devs dont know how its b/c the games are just that small, lot of game delays do to it which probably resulted in the dev deciding to go multi, and only a couple of exclusives uses its architecture to the fullest ei. KZ, GOW, UC, GT.

 

going forward its pretty obvious that more and more big games go multi ei gta, assassin's creed, FF, mass effect, and la noir are some big ones that come to mind, it would be vital that sonys next console is more multi dev friendly b/c just like live and cheaper price is a huge selling point for the 360 superior multis could have a similar impact next gen



                                                             

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All part of Sony's plan. Didn't they say they made the PS3 difficult to program for on purpose? There you go.



Superior multiplats? we still living in 2006?



BHR-3 said:

it would be vital that sonys next console is more multi dev friendly

Absolutely, and this is where Sony failed with the PS3. They made a platform that developers had to invest a lot of ressources into in order to get the results they wanted, when they shouldn't have to. This in turn made games more expensive to create because of the rise in R&D costs for developers.

I'm glad Sony are moving away from Ken Kutaragi-way of doing things, because it really hasn't done them a lot of good. Thankfully the Vita is proof that Sony are caring more about developers now then they have in the past.



360 is my main console  when it comes down to multi-console and multiplayer games ......even thou the ps3 online is free O_O