Dragon_Lord said:
Michael-5 said:
Dragon_Lord said:
Michael-5 said:
Dragon_Lord said:
I really don't think anyone thinks the only reason ps3 is ahead in japan and europe is the brand factor, you know that extended warrenty that didn't even cover all 360 failures in NA, most of the rest of the world didn't even get that, also 360 exclusives often don't get localized and xbl isn't even on par with psn in alot of the world (but they still have to pay), there are actually alot of places where you can get psn but you can't get xbl, MS is doing very little to appeal to people outside of NA and Sony has been doing alot for awhile
It's down 62% yoy in the last couple weeks, the only reason it was up yoy before was the slim, and the reason that was such a big boost is because it's the first 360 that's actually reliable so people on the fence and people wanting to upgrade (from an older 360) both went out and got one, now that it crossed that part of the year it's going to be down yoy for the rest of the year unless it price cuts
An equal price cut will still benefit ps3 more, because of the 200 360 skew and the ps3s blu ray player and I really can't see either cutting the price without the other matching, and again MS advertised a ton last year and had more advantages over ps3 last year then this one, and they still only tied so I don't see how they can win this year with less advantages
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What 360 exclusives don't get localized? I'm only aware of two games which released in Japan, and not the rest of the world, and all of Microsoft's published games are globally released.
XBL isn't on Par in a lot of the world? How and where?
You think the Slim boosted 2011 sales, not Kinect or a good Halo?
Also, I think everyone interested in Blu-Ray already owns a Blu-Ray player. People will not be buying a PS3 for Blu-Ray nowdays, but you do make a lot of sense. I only question the above 3 comments.
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Forza, Fable 3 hell half of MSes exclusives don't have pal release dates and Alan Wake, too human and kinect sports among others don'thave jp ones
laggy and just not that much service avalaible basically, and pretty much anywhere outside of NA, main cities in EU where there is xbl, unsure of current state of japan xbl i know it was bad but they have been pushing japan recently
Kinect boosted sales for the holidays but that's about it, and I've made this point before but almost everyone thats interested in halo probaly already has a 360, the fact that it's up yoy until the slim release then massively down makes it pretty clear
You'd be surprized blu ray is constantly gaining ground, if ps3 gets a price cut to 200 people who are mildy interested in blu ray and are interested in a gaming system will lean more towards ps3, though at it's current price blu ray isn't much of a selling point
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Forza 3 doesn't have a PAL release date? Half of Forza's market is PAL. Fable released worldwide within 3 days. This is just bs you're spreading about 360 games often not getting localized in the PAL region. Same with Japan, Kinect Sports released worldwide on the game date as Kinect, same with Japan and PAL regions. Too Human was released in Japan before EMEAA, which was only 10 days after Americas, and a similar story for Alan Wake.
That is just BS on 360 exclusives not getting localized. MS is freaken amazing at localizing their games worldwide. How many Japanese games does Nintendo and Sony not localize outside of Japan? A LOT! I'm only aware of 2 360 Japanese games which haven't been localized Espagula and Monster Hunter Frontier.
What supporting proof do you have of XBL being laggy in main cities of EMEAA and in Japan? I can understand rural cities in Africa, but not EMEAA. When the 360 first came out, I played a lot of games of Lost Planet against Japanese gamers, and I had very little lag. When I first picked up Halo 3 I had the chance to play people in South Africa and Tanzania, and I had no lag. Those guys told me the same thing. So what are you basing this off?
As for being up YOY up to the Slim release, that doesn't disprove Kinect and Halo didn't help boost YoY sales. Yes sales are down like 60% week on week, but the Slim just came out. In september, do you honestly feel that 360 won't be back on par with YoY sales? What you are doing is essentially comparing one week of sales, with inflated sales of a past years due to the release of new hardward, and that's just not a fair comparision.
Also most people who bought a 360 for Halo already owned a 360? Did you not see the 100k hardware spike last fall when Halo Reach came out, and the higher stabilization point afterward? Most people in this forum were saying that clearly a new Halo did attract new fans.
As for Blu-Ray gaining ground, I disagree. I know people who bought a PS3 at launch just because it was a cheap Blu-Ray player, and then they bought a game or two for it. Nowdays Sony sells stand alone Blu-Rays for $100, and they are much smaller then the PS3. Anybody slightly interested in Gaming and Blu-Ray will be just as interested in getting an Arcade 360 and a standalone Blu-Ray as they would a base PS3.
You, kind sir, are bending the truth. You are making unfair comparisions all over, and some of what your saying is just untrue, or unfounded opinion.
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I looked them up and they didn't have the respective release dates, show me your sources
are you just in denial or something, oh no I get it, you call psn laggy when it works great but when live is actually a little laggy and worse then psn you ignore it is that it? Pretty much everywhere besides NA and major EU cities it's worse then psn go compare the two
"do you honestly feel that 360 won't be back on par with YoY sales? " unless it gets a price drop of course it won't be what makes you think it possibly could, sure when games release it will be down less but it won't be up
the 360 arcade isn't going to drop to 100 if ps3 drops to 200, and the arcade has a joke of a harddrive and MS overcharges for it, anyone who does any research knows the 360 arcade is a joke so no your wrong simple as that
making unfair comparisons is all you people do on this site, one guy got banned like a week ago for compensating for the year extra MS had on the market in this thread about published software sales so don't give me that crap, 360 is down for the year and there's good reason it doesn't sell anywhere but NA, and you didn't address my point about the no extended warrenty in other places
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Look them up on VGChartz! Every game you mentioned has been released in Japan and has small sales figures. PAL is the region of EMEAA, every game you mentioned was released there.
I never called PSN laggy, don't try to brand me.
What evidence do you have to support this psn is less laggy claim? Do you have anything? Even personal experience? Have you played a PS3/360 in Europe, Africa, Brazil, or Japan or talked to someone about it? I have because I was shocked to play people in Africa and Japan in Halo and Lost Planet, and I've never had a bad connection with European servers on either console (except with GTA for PS3). You can't just make wild accusations without reason.
What I know is XBL has more active users then PSN at a given time. There are about 3x as many people playing Call of Duty on 360 then on PS3 at any given time. If XBL was laggier then PSN, or noticably inferior, why would PSN host less matches? There are roughly as many copies of Call of duty sold on both consoles, and they both have a similar user base.
As for 360 being on par again YoY. 1. There will be a price cut. 2. 360 Slim effect subdued after a couple months, why wouldn't 360 sales be close come September/October even without a price cut?
Anyone who does any research knows the 360 arcade is a joke so no your wrong simple as that. What is this based off? Why is the Arcade 360 a joke? I still play on my 14GB original model 360, and I have yet to max out the hard drive. For 360, you don't need to install games to play them (some PS3 games require an install, like Heavy Rain). Save files on most games take up a couple megabytes at most, and absolute worst case, if you want to get some DLC, you can always plug in a thumb drive. 8GB is $10 right? Your opinion =/= the worlds.
However I do agree, if the PS3 gets a $100 price cut, and so does the 250GB 360, I think the 4GB 360 will come down to $130, and not $100. The whole purpose of the Arcade model is to be the cheapest console on the market, it only has to come below the Wii's current price.
"making unfair comparisons is all you people do on this site." You don't have to follow everyone. Set an example. The reason why there are fanboy wars is because people on both sides over eggagerate their claims, and twist the truth. I try to be fair on both sides, and trust me I've seen at least 5 people get banned debating on me because they were over the top agressivly biased. Don't become like that.
As for no extended warrenty in regions outside NA, I never contested your point, why would I bring it up? I know Microsoft offered an extended warrenty throughout most of Europe, North America, and I believe Japan as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Middle East, Africa and Asia didn't get that treatment. I agree with you that the extended warrenty didn't cover all RRoD issues, heck probably not even all of the US cases (I had to bitch to get my HDMI model, but I kept my old hard drive). RRoD was also a bigger issue then YLoD, and this is one reason why I will never get a first gen Microsoft or Playstation product again.
