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Mr Puggsly on 07 April 2011
vlad321 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
oniyide said:

^^^^ i think what he is just trying to say is that what where paying for he essentially gets for free, which is not bad i think

Well these aren't free, get over it.

PC gaming is struggling because they want everything free or dirt cheap.


Blizzard and Valve called. They called you ignorant and uninformed. Minecraft just sent you a postcard, the guy was too busy to call.

Blizzard and Valve are some of few big budget developers that can rely on PC.

Valve though does get support from consoles. I wouldn't be surprised if Left 4 Dead has been more profitable on the 360.

There were rumors about Diablo III coming to consoles. I don't think Diablo 3 will sell as well as 2. Unless Diablo 3 has really great online play. Basically online play is the only thing that can save a PC game. Otherwise people will just steal it.



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vlad321 on 07 April 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
oniyide said:

^^^^ i think what he is just trying to say is that what where paying for he essentially gets for free, which is not bad i think

Well these aren't free, get over it.

PC gaming is struggling because they want everything free or dirt cheap.


Blizzard and Valve called. They called you ignorant and uninformed. Minecraft just sent you a postcard, the guy was too busy to call.

Blizzard and Valve are some of few big budget developers that can rely on PC.

Valve though does get support from consoles. I wouldn't be surprised if Left 4 Dead has been more profitable on the 360.

There were rumors about Diablo III coming to consoles. I don't think Diablo 3 will sell as well as 2. Unless Diablo 3 has really great online play. Basically online play is the only thing that can save a PC game. Otherwise people will just steal it.

Maybe because they are the only ones who actually put in a good effort into making a good PC game? Also, they completely and utterly disprove your entire point.

Funny enough, Half-Life 2 is a single-player only game, made by Valve, who has a shitton of money. Same with Portal. Or Half-Life 1 before that.

I was was wrong on one thing in my last statement. You aren't ignorant and uninformed, because I had just informed you and provided you with information that completely defeats your argument. Ignorant/uninformed would then realize they are wrong. You are in a whole different league.



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Mr Puggsly on 07 April 2011
vlad321 said:

Maybe because they are the only ones who actually put in a good effort into making a good PC game? Also, they completely and utterly disprove your entire point.

Funny enough, Half-Life 2 is a single-player only game, made by Valve, who has a shitton of money. Same with Portal. Or Half-Life 1 before that.

I was was wrong on one thing in my last statement. You aren't ignorant and uninformed, because I had just informed you and provided you with information that completely defeats your argument. Ignorant/uninformed would then realize they are wrong. You are in a whole different league.

Your first statement... no your whole post is ridiculous.

Half-Life 1, 2, and Portal are old. Lets see how future games perform. Oh wait, we can't because Valve doesn't release their numbers. And why would they? It would show the decline in sales which is why their games launch on consoles now.

Anyway, nothing more to discuss. Good day.



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Tony_Stark on 07 April 2011
oniyide said:

@vlad  would it not be more time consuming to write a postcard than just call?


lol, owned!



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vlad321 on 07 April 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:

Maybe because they are the only ones who actually put in a good effort into making a good PC game? Also, they completely and utterly disprove your entire point.

Funny enough, Half-Life 2 is a single-player only game, made by Valve, who has a shitton of money. Same with Portal. Or Half-Life 1 before that.

I was was wrong on one thing in my last statement. You aren't ignorant and uninformed, because I had just informed you and provided you with information that completely defeats your argument. Ignorant/uninformed would then realize they are wrong. You are in a whole different league.

Your first statement... no your whole post is ridiculous.

Half-Life 1, 2, and Portal are old. Lets see how future games perform. Oh wait, we can't because Valve doesn't release their numbers. And why would they? It would show the decline in sales which is why their games launch on consoles now.

Anyway, nothing more to discuss. Good day.

The first post is very much valid. Go around any PC forum and you will notice that Valve and Blizzard (along with relic and the guys from Total War) are the only ones that are even bothering to make a PC game worth playing. It's ridiculous that you don't realize that. Last I checked both Valve and Blizzard were well off, so we don't even need to see their numbers.

Wait wait, did you just imply that HL2 and Portal are somehow old just because they are what? 3 and 6 years ago? I hate to break it to you, but up until about a year ago you wouldn't even be able to push off Starcraft as old. You try your best to justify your wrong point of view. It's kind of funny. I wonder how far I can push it for the lulz.

How do you justify Minecraft's success in your head? I eagerly await your reply.



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oniyide on 07 April 2011

Doesnt Blizzard make WOW??? Arent people still playing that crap after all these years??? I dont think their money is hurting. Dont know about Valve but come the 19th there getting my buisness



Mr Puggsly on 07 April 2011
vlad321 said:

How do you justify Minecraft's success in your head? I eagerly await your reply.

When consoles have a hit... its no big deal. It happens every other week.

When PC gets a hit, even though its a budget title, its some how proof that industry isn't struggling.

What can I say?



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vlad321 on 07 April 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:

How do you justify Minecraft's success in your head? I eagerly await your reply.

When consoles have a hit... its no big deal. It happens every other week.

When PC gets a hit, even though its a budget title, its some how proof that industry isn't struggling.

What can I say?

You didn't fail in delivering.

Your claim was PC games make no money, I have presented you with 3 companies who are doing fine. Let's see how you try to justify these next ones. The Relic, the ones who make Warhammer 40k. They seem to be doing fine considering they keep making the games. Creative Assembly too, and their Total War series (if you remember, Empire was a bit too buggy), they seem to be donig fine as well. CD Projekt with The Witcher also seems to have done well, well enough for a sequel, currently only on the PC.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Mr Puggsly on 07 April 2011
vlad321 said:

You didn't fail in delivering.

Your claim was PC games make no money, I have presented you with 3 companies who are doing fine. Let's see how you try to justify these next ones. The Relic, the ones who make Warhammer 40k. They seem to be doing fine considering they keep making the games. Creative Assembly too, and their Total War series (if you remember, Empire was a bit too buggy), they seem to be donig fine as well. CD Projekt with The Witcher also seems to have done well, well enough for a sequel, currently only on the PC.

I said the industry is struggling, I didn't say its dead as whole.

But keep naming developers of mostly low budget games. I'm not sure what that proves.



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Kasz216 on 07 April 2011
oniyide said:

@Kasz216  oh you dont have to tell me that, i did my research on that game, ill try it one day

@vlad  would it not be more time consuming to write a postcard than just call?

Yeah, i just mean that map packs do have value on consoles... where the system is closed and fans really aern't allowed to make content.