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Forums - Sales Discussion - Has Europe sales saved PS3 this Christmas from an embarrasment?

Peter Potamus on 20 December 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mountie said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mountie said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Sorair said:
Spectrumglr said:
jhlennon1 said:
Final Fantasy XIII will fix the Japan problem, so I am not too concerned about that.

short term...isn't it?


No there is no short term once FFXIII finishes releasing right after FFXIII, then you have Final Fantasy versus XIII and White Knight Story, The Last Renament, which is going to sell better on the PS3 than on the 360 in Japan..,


Yup it'll help the PS3 sell 1 or 2 million more consoles, Woo, so instead of being behind the GCN it'll be a little ahead, woo


Its pretty obvious from his writing that he doesn't think 2 consoles can co-exist in Japan.

I was a GC and PS2 owner, but obviously Avinash has some deep-seated hatred towards Sony for crushing his precious GamCube. I can't see any other reason for such ramblings and blatant fanboyism. This gen he thinks the same thing will happen but in reverse.

Avinash, the PS3 will smash the 4 million or so GC's sold in Japan. That I can guarantee. I'd put it in my sig for your benefit, but I think I'd get made fun of for making such an easy prediction.


You'll notice my comment was intended to be sarcastic, PS3 may beat the GCN, but the fact is it won't climb much above it, maybe 5-6 million total, I was pointing out its current relative position to the GCN and how much these games will actually help it, not much, i'm just interjecting some reality into the discussion.


Of course your comment was sarcastic, haven't you heard that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? You could have rationally come in to the topic and said "I don't think these games will give much of a boost, I see PS3 selling 5-6 million consoles in Japan." and civil discussion would follow. But instead you drop flamebait. Yes, the GC was a failure and clearly you think the PS3 will be as well.

I'll predict the PS3 will sell at least 8 million in Japan and have added it to my sig. That's a realistic prediction unlike all of yours (well except for 50% marketshare, that's possible).


If I had come in and pointed out why I think PS3 won't be a success and how it will be only marginally better than the GCN without sarcasm, and pointed out how its sales have been far weaker than the GCN you and others like you would have accused me of being a Wii fanboy, unable to take off his Wii glasses, since that would happen either way I chose to use sarcasm.

 

PS3 will not sell that much, maybe more than GCN but that's nothing to write home about, perhaps 6 million if they are lucky, eight millionis totally unrealistic, it can't even get over 100K in sales one week, also about my predictions all you have to do is look at how it is crushing the PS2 in sales, even with its supply constrained and that it has been availible in all three major markets , splitting its already low supply and you will see why it will easily pass the PS2 and PS1 and PS3 combined


The Wii lacks one important aspect that both the PS1 and PS2 had, strong third party support. The wii has third party support (which sometimes come from PS2 ports) but it is far from being impressive. In order for the Wii to outsell the PS2, it needs stronger third party support in the future. 

But there are some reports that Nintendo is already working on another console. Given the fact that the Wii and its third party support is somewhat lacking, there is no possible way that the Wii would pass the PS2 overall in sales. It would need to sell like the PS2 is right now after the new Nintendo console is out. I don't think its possible.



Didja get that thing I sentcha?

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Ajax on 20 December 2007

why would you think this way

you can turn it aroud and say:

are the US sales trying to embarres the PS3?

The Playstation brand is strong in Europe, anyone without a 360 I know will buy a PS3 the coming year, and most of the guys I know with a 360 are also going to buy a PS3 coming year when the big games are out..

So why see it from an American point of view and say that Europe is saving the PS3, when you can say that actually it's the US that's giving the PS3 a hard time.. ?

:)



''Hadouken!''

Avinash_Tyagi on 20 December 2007
Peter Potamus said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mountie said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Mountie said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Sorair said:
Spectrumglr said:
jhlennon1 said:
Final Fantasy XIII will fix the Japan problem, so I am not too concerned about that.

short term...isn't it?


No there is no short term once FFXIII finishes releasing right after FFXIII, then you have Final Fantasy versus XIII and White Knight Story, The Last Renament, which is going to sell better on the PS3 than on the 360 in Japan..,


Yup it'll help the PS3 sell 1 or 2 million more consoles, Woo, so instead of being behind the GCN it'll be a little ahead, woo


Its pretty obvious from his writing that he doesn't think 2 consoles can co-exist in Japan.

I was a GC and PS2 owner, but obviously Avinash has some deep-seated hatred towards Sony for crushing his precious GamCube. I can't see any other reason for such ramblings and blatant fanboyism. This gen he thinks the same thing will happen but in reverse.

Avinash, the PS3 will smash the 4 million or so GC's sold in Japan. That I can guarantee. I'd put it in my sig for your benefit, but I think I'd get made fun of for making such an easy prediction.


You'll notice my comment was intended to be sarcastic, PS3 may beat the GCN, but the fact is it won't climb much above it, maybe 5-6 million total, I was pointing out its current relative position to the GCN and how much these games will actually help it, not much, i'm just interjecting some reality into the discussion.


Of course your comment was sarcastic, haven't you heard that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? You could have rationally come in to the topic and said "I don't think these games will give much of a boost, I see PS3 selling 5-6 million consoles in Japan." and civil discussion would follow. But instead you drop flamebait. Yes, the GC was a failure and clearly you think the PS3 will be as well.

I'll predict the PS3 will sell at least 8 million in Japan and have added it to my sig. That's a realistic prediction unlike all of yours (well except for 50% marketshare, that's possible).


If I had come in and pointed out why I think PS3 won't be a success and how it will be only marginally better than the GCN without sarcasm, and pointed out how its sales have been far weaker than the GCN you and others like you would have accused me of being a Wii fanboy, unable to take off his Wii glasses, since that would happen either way I chose to use sarcasm.

 

PS3 will not sell that much, maybe more than GCN but that's nothing to write home about, perhaps 6 million if they are lucky, eight millionis totally unrealistic, it can't even get over 100K in sales one week, also about my predictions all you have to do is look at how it is crushing the PS2 in sales, even with its supply constrained and that it has been availible in all three major markets , splitting its already low supply and you will see why it will easily pass the PS2 and PS1 and PS3 combined


The Wii lacks one important aspect that both the PS1 and PS2 had, strong third party support. The wii has third party support (which sometimes come from PS2 ports) but it is far from being impressive. In order for the Wii to outsell the PS2, it needs stronger third party support in the future. 

But there are some reports that Nintendo is already working on another console. Given the fact that the Wii and its third party support is somewhat lacking, there is no possible way that the Wii would pass the PS2 overall in sales. It would need to sell like the PS2 is right now after the new Nintendo console is out. I don't think its possible.


 Nintendo always works on its new console once the previous one is on the market, so of course they are working on the next system, but it probably won't be out for 5-6 years, especially if Wii is making huge profits for Nintendo.

 

Third party sales have been more than enough for the Wii so far, and its been Nintendo based software that has been pushing the console so far, we've seen this with the DS as well, Nintendo software has been pushing that system as well while thrid parties have been weaker Nintedo consoles are a different ecosystem than the PS family, third parties are less important on nintendo systems



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Ajax on 20 December 2007

why are you quoting that much?
that's nonsense man



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Mountie on 20 December 2007

Why do I have to keep correcting you Avinash? Can you please get your facts straight. The PS3 has not been selling far weaker than the GCN. WW its outselling the GCN:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=GC&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=------&weeks=60

In Japan, its behind by what? 75,000? That's hardly, "far weaker":

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=GC&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=X360&reg3=------&weeks=60

The fact is that the GCN sold worse in its 2nd year than its first, and that's a console killer. There's no chance that'll happen with the PS3.

As far as your prediction, the PS2 & PS3 have outsold the Wii this year, so thus far you've gone backwards. Are we including the PSP as well? Because then it would just be embarrassing.



Prediction:

The PS2 & PS3 will outsell the Wii in 2008.

Lifetime sales of PS3 in Japan will be at least 8 million consoles.

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Ajax on 20 December 2007

STOP QUOTING LIKE THat guys
come on
you are talking to each other, so just must be knowing what you just have said to each other
it's really irritating to have such big posts!


!!



''Hadouken!''

DOATS1 on 20 December 2007

*fetches popcorn*




Ajax on 20 December 2007

lol



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jhlennon1 on 20 December 2007

The PSP amazing hardware turnaround says that anything can happen in Japan and only the narrowminded and stupid think otherwise.

 

Who predicated that the PSP slim would have had this effect? Certainly no one on Vgchartz. 



Avinash_Tyagi on 20 December 2007
Mountie said:

Why do I have to keep correcting you Avinash? Can you please get your facts straight. The PS3 has not been selling far weaker than the GCN. WW its outselling the GCN:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=GC®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=156

In Japan, its behind by what? 75,000? That's hardly, "far weaker":

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=GC®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=------&weeks=156 

The fact is that the GCN sold worse in its 2nd year than its first, and that's a console killer. There's no chance that'll happen with the PS3.

As far as your prediction, the PS2 & PS3 have outsold the Wii this year, so thus far you've gone backwards. Are we including the PSP as well? Because then it would just be embarrassing.


 We were talking about Japan, and now you go running off to WW,  you call that correcting, don't avoid the argument by running on a tangent, fact is its selling worse than GCN in Japan, and it has yet to sell enough weekly to actually catch the GCN, lets see if it can even sell enough to catch up before you assume it'll sell 8 million.

 

Yeah Wii has suffered from supply constraints and yet it has beaten the PS2's first 57 weeks in every market, again you run off on a tangent rather than argue the actual point, adding PS3 to the equation is irrelevant because of Wii's supply constraint, is it not beating the PS2, yes it is, is the PS3 selling worse than the GCN yes it is, has the PS3 yet to sell over 100K in a week yes it does, correcting something actually means you need to show that i'm wrong about something, you haven't



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)