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Forums - Sales Discussion - Official: 360 vs PS3 gap now 2.88m

phinch1 on 06 February 2011
kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
LivingMetal said:
kowenicki said:
LivingMetal said:
MonstaMack said:

Not according to vgchartz it isn't.


I wouldn't worry about.  With the ways adjustments have been around here and as well as the PS3 has been selling, vgchartz will have the gap at 3 million before we know it.


there will always be far more PS3's in the channel than 360's... always


And those PS3's will be forever stuck there in a time loop until the Doctor comes to save the day... always.

why the smart reply...? I am merely stating an obvious fact.

the 360 doesn't sell in Japan (so minimal stock is held) and isnt available in  many other markets that the PS3 is.

I agree, The PS3 is a world console, it's more popular than the 360 in everywhere except a few big countries, I would assume sony is smart enough to have enough supply this time around unlike last year.

meaning its more popular in lots of small countries/ emerging markets... I agree.

small countries like France, Spain, Japan, Brazil, India, the little ones


yep... small markets.

there are only 3 big markets.  2 are 360.

japan and europe are PS3, 360 only dominates in the American market 



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Oblivion86 on 06 February 2011
psrock said:
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

I love to see people here saying the "shipped numbers says nothing"... because the VGC adjustments was made based in these shipped numbers after all.

Just check the numbers... without "shipped numbers" VGC was 360 over 52m now and PS3 below 46m.

Yea, but 360 is also experiencing shortages. Shipped numbers are innaccurate when MS is selling off almost all of their 360's and struggling to meet demand, when Sony is stocking up for the 2011 year, and not selling as high of a ratio of consoles (sold/Shipped Ratio)


MS had shortages in December in the US only. Stocking up for 2011? lol that's a new one. where are they putting these stocks? 

They are sitting in a warehouse because Sony isn't able to sell anywhere near there shipped numbers, meanwhile 360s are still selling out everywhere and Kinect is continuing to top the charts. So I don't think MS has anything to worry about for a while.



psrock on 06 February 2011
Oblivion86 said:
psrock said:
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

I love to see people here saying the "shipped numbers says nothing"... because the VGC adjustments was made based in these shipped numbers after all.

Just check the numbers... without "shipped numbers" VGC was 360 over 52m now and PS3 below 46m.

Yea, but 360 is also experiencing shortages. Shipped numbers are innaccurate when MS is selling off almost all of their 360's and struggling to meet demand, when Sony is stocking up for the 2011 year, and not selling as high of a ratio of consoles (sold/Shipped Ratio)


MS had shortages in December in the US only. Stocking up for 2011? lol that's a new one. where are they putting these stocks? 

They are sitting in a warehouse because Sony isn't able to sell anywhere near there shipped numbers, meanwhile 360s are still selling out everywhere and Kinect is continuing to top the charts. So I don't think MS has anything to worry about for a while.

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4k1x3r on 06 February 2011
landguy1 said:

The shipped number gap is irrelevent.  Sony and Microsoft are not really interested in the shipped number, only the public.  Sony and Microsoft, care about sell through.  That is the only time that they will not see there product back

Wait what... -_- It's really becoming ridiculous, now people are even inventing new things just to make their argument valid.



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4k1x3r on 06 February 2011
Oblivion86 said:
psrock said:
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

I love to see people here saying the "shipped numbers says nothing"... because the VGC adjustments was made based in these shipped numbers after all.

Just check the numbers... without "shipped numbers" VGC was 360 over 52m now and PS3 below 46m.

Yea, but 360 is also experiencing shortages. Shipped numbers are innaccurate when MS is selling off almost all of their 360's and struggling to meet demand, when Sony is stocking up for the 2011 year, and not selling as high of a ratio of consoles (sold/Shipped Ratio)


MS had shortages in December in the US only. Stocking up for 2011? lol that's a new one. where are they putting these stocks? 

They are sitting in a warehouse because Sony isn't able to sell anywhere near there shipped numbers, meanwhile 360s are still selling out everywhere and Kinect is continuing to top the charts. So I don't think MS has anything to worry about for a while.

I feel something funny will happen in the future, when Sony will announce that they outshipped Microsoft by 5m (let's say), people will say 8m are sitting on sheves, just so sold through will be lower and x360>PS3. =D Gonna be funny... er not.



M.U.G.E.N on 06 February 2011

LOL somehow I think the 'desperate' accusations are misplaced on SOny fans :P
shipped doesn't matter now? Simply fantastic stuff in this thread



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landguy1 on 06 February 2011
psrock said:
landguy1 said:

The shipped number gap is irrelevent.  Sony and Microsoft are not really interested in the shipped number, only the public.  Sony and Microsoft, care about sell through.  That is the only time that they will not see there product back.

Sony, MS , Nintendo cares about both, the shipped numbers make them money while the sell through increases their userbase. 


If only that were completely correct...  In North America, the large manufacturers work with retailers and resellers on their in stock units.  They either delay actual payment from the retailer/wholesaler to the manufacturer for the item for 30-90 days or they take a percentage up front of 30-50% and delay the rest of the payment like the other option.  It really depends on the size and credit of the retailer/wholesaler.  Smaller companies will pay upfront, but they won't have the stock quantities the others have.  How do you think the $50-$100 gift card deals work?  It is pr agreed to give the reseller a credit for every unit sold during the promotion.  The credit either applies to the above options or to future replenishments.  Like i said, depends on the relationship between Sony/Microsoft and the reseller.



landguy1 on 06 February 2011
4k1x3r said:
landguy1 said:

The shipped number gap is irrelevent.  Sony and Microsoft are not really interested in the shipped number, only the public.  Sony and Microsoft, care about sell through.  That is the only time that they will not see there product back

Wait what... -_- It's really becoming ridiculous, now people are even inventing new things just to make their argument valid.


Worrying about shipped #'s is a short term issue.  Do think that they are worried how many are out of their warehouse?  Yeah, if you thought that you were never going to sell them again.  Sell through is more important because that determines whether they actually need to ramp up production or create better incentives for their resellers or the consumers.  Like i said in my first post, having the units ship from their warehouse is a minimum expectation, not a big accomplishment.



ethomaz on 06 February 2011
landguy1 said:
4k1x3r said:
landguy1 said:

The shipped number gap is irrelevent.  Sony and Microsoft are not really interested in the shipped number, only the public.  Sony and Microsoft, care about sell through.  That is the only time that they will not see there product back

Wait what... -_- It's really becoming ridiculous, now people are even inventing new things just to make their argument valid.


Worrying about shipped #'s is a short term issue.  Do think that they are worried how many are out of their warehouse?  Yeah, if you thought that you were never going to sell them again.  Sell through is more important because that determines whether they actually need to ramp up production or create better incentives for their resellers or the consumers.  Like i said in my first post, having the units ship from their warehouse is a minimum expectation, not a big accomplishment.

Sell through is more important for retailers/reselers... but for Microsoft/Sony/Nintente the sell in (shipped) is more important and the number showed to investidors and shareholders.