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Nintendo is doing fine. Because they were so successful in the past, it gives the impression that they are failing now when, in fact, they just arrived to the saturation point much earlier than its competitors. Also, the Wii was designed to attend the needs of Nintendo's developers. Thus, they didn't found important to give it HD capability as they usually work with stylized graphics. Also, they erroneously thought that, being a cheaper to develop system, it would attract new franchises, something that didn't happened as the main publishers were too concentrated in loosing money with costly HD releases. When the 3DS was unveiled, Iwata said they added advanced graphics ability to satisfy third party developers. I guess they will probably give more thought about their licensees needs in their future hardware releases.

Because the Wii was designed to attract more customers than the usual gamers, it was never popular with gaming journalists, as those are gamers and thus focused more in hardcore releases than anything else. Even many of the mainstream media outlets game journalists are focused in hardcore gaming and thus the lack of good word about the Wii. The Wii become popular due to the word of mouth and the good reception from the non gaming media.



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Ninty is doing exactly the right thing now, actually making games and not some shovelware WiiWhatever crap, I dont care how much WiiSports has sold, its still a barely working game with no depth. Ninty is smart they are leaving the casuals before the casuals get bored and SONY and MS are only now getting on that. I think that in the beginning there R&D should have spent more time on getting the Wiimote to actualy be as accurate as possible and im not hating we all know the Wiimote is not accurate. the existence of motion proves that. Maybe 3rd parties could have been able to have more quality software to go with hardware that actually works. And WiiWare, god damn Ninty I know you dont really care for online and you have to much pride to be a "follower" but good lord the online is horrible. As much crap as the PSN gets at least Sony is steadily improving it. Its like Ninty isnt even trying to improve

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How does the Wii remain at the top when it gets so much bad press?

Who listens to these things and who actually buys the Wii?

What makes Wii sell more than other consoles? Is it the games? or the console itself (price,specs)?



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oniyide said:

Ninty is doing exactly the right thing now, actually making games and not some shovelware WiiWhatever crap, I dont care how much WiiSports has sold, its still a barely working game with no depth. Ninty is smart they are leaving the casuals before the casuals get bored and SONY and MS are only now getting on that. I think that in the beginning there R&D should have spent more time on getting the Wiimote to actualy be as accurate as possible and im not hating we all know the Wiimote is not accurate. the existence of motion proves that. Maybe 3rd parties could have been able to have more quality software to go with hardware that actually works. And WiiWare, god damn Ninty I know you dont really care for online and you have to much pride to be a "follower" but good lord the online is horrible. As much crap as the PSN gets at least Sony is steadily improving it. Its like Ninty isnt even trying to improve

I'd have to agree with most of this here. However, there are some fairly awesome WiiWare games, and also some fairly awesome online games, and VERY MANY awesome VC games! It just seems as though developers are lazy and refuse to see the Wii as an actual console so give it some horrid half-baked shovelware...and that's putting it kindly



 

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Kyren said:

How does the Wii remain at the top when it gets so much bad press?

Who listens to these things and who actually buys the Wii?

What makes Wii sell more than other consoles? Is it the games? or the console itself (price,specs)?

-because it's awesome

-I do (I have 3 now)

-The games mostly, but also the lower price



 

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oniyide said:

Ninty is doing exactly the right thing now, actually making games and not some shovelware WiiWhatever crap, I dont care how much WiiSports has sold, its still a barely working game with no depth. Ninty is smart they are leaving the casuals before the casuals get bored and SONY and MS are only now getting on that. I think that in the beginning there R&D should have spent more time on getting the Wiimote to actualy be as accurate as possible and im not hating we all know the Wiimote is not accurate. the existence of motion proves that. Maybe 3rd parties could have been able to have more quality software to go with hardware that actually works. And WiiWare, god damn Ninty I know you dont really care for online and you have to much pride to be a "follower" but good lord the online is horrible. As much crap as the PSN gets at least Sony is steadily improving it. Its like Ninty isnt even trying to improve

That's insulting. It isn't shovelware and "WiiWhatever crap". Wii Sports is a great game and honestly, you shouldn't talk about casuals getting bored with the Wii. For the past 25 years now, Nintendo's been after the hardcore audience. What do they get? Continuously declining sales. If Nintendo hadn't gone the "casual" way, it would've left the home console business right now and the DS would have been destroyed by the PSP. We have historical proof that the hardcores aren't loyal at all (Nintendo till this gen, Sony with PS3...) and easily get bored of their hardware manufacturers. We have nothing that can actually prove to us that casuals don't stick to their manufacturers yet. In a worst case scenario, casuals can only be as bad and as easily bored as hardcores, almost certainly not worse.



 

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Probably just making it more port compatible with the Xbox 360 and PS3. Likely $30 worth of hardware would have more than done the trick considering they were originally targetting the $200 price point.



Tease.

@conegamer  oh the WiiWare does have some alright looking stuff, but im a multiplat guy and I look at it like this, why would I spend my hard earned time and money on WiiWare when PSN games and service simply craps all over it. Scott Pilgrim alone IMHO blows away anything that came out on WiiWare this year. VC oh god im not impressed, its barely getting support. Where the PS1 classics get on average a game a week. and it doesnt rape you on price.  We cant even really blame everything on 3rd devs in this instance. Its not like Ninty puts alot of games on WiiWare or VC themselves either.



Immortal said:
oniyide said:

Ninty is doing exactly the right thing now, actually making games and not some shovelware WiiWhatever crap, I dont care how much WiiSports has sold, its still a barely working game with no depth. Ninty is smart they are leaving the casuals before the casuals get bored and SONY and MS are only now getting on that. I think that in the beginning there R&D should have spent more time on getting the Wiimote to actualy be as accurate as possible and im not hating we all know the Wiimote is not accurate. the existence of motion proves that. Maybe 3rd parties could have been able to have more quality software to go with hardware that actually works. And WiiWare, god damn Ninty I know you dont really care for online and you have to much pride to be a "follower" but good lord the online is horrible. As much crap as the PSN gets at least Sony is steadily improving it. Its like Ninty isnt even trying to improve

That's insulting. It isn't shovelware and "WiiWhatever crap". Wii Sports is a great game and honestly, you shouldn't talk about casuals getting bored with the Wii. For the past 25 years now, Nintendo's been after the hardcore audience. What do they get? Continuously declining sales. If Nintendo hadn't gone the "casual" way, it would've left the home console business right now and the DS would have been destroyed by the PSP. We have historical proof that the hardcores aren't loyal at all (Nintendo till this gen, Sony with PS3...) and easily get bored of their hardware manufacturers. We have nothing that can actually prove to us that casuals don't stick to their manufacturers yet. In a worst case scenario, casuals can only be as bad and as easily bored as hardcores, almost certainly not worse.

Insulting is a bit far. Misinformed? Maybe

But, as I said, nintendo should keep the Wii going, at least 2 years after the Wii2 release with regiular, multiplat releases, as well as WiiWare, VC, 3rd Party etc. But, we'll have to see with the 3DS first!



 

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Conegamer said:
Immortal said:
oniyide said:

Ninty is doing exactly the right thing now, actually making games and not some shovelware WiiWhatever crap, I dont care how much WiiSports has sold, its still a barely working game with no depth. Ninty is smart they are leaving the casuals before the casuals get bored and SONY and MS are only now getting on that. I think that in the beginning there R&D should have spent more time on getting the Wiimote to actualy be as accurate as possible and im not hating we all know the Wiimote is not accurate. the existence of motion proves that. Maybe 3rd parties could have been able to have more quality software to go with hardware that actually works. And WiiWare, god damn Ninty I know you dont really care for online and you have to much pride to be a "follower" but good lord the online is horrible. As much crap as the PSN gets at least Sony is steadily improving it. Its like Ninty isnt even trying to improve

That's insulting. It isn't shovelware and "WiiWhatever crap". Wii Sports is a great game and honestly, you shouldn't talk about casuals getting bored with the Wii. For the past 25 years now, Nintendo's been after the hardcore audience. What do they get? Continuously declining sales. If Nintendo hadn't gone the "casual" way, it would've left the home console business right now and the DS would have been destroyed by the PSP. We have historical proof that the hardcores aren't loyal at all (Nintendo till this gen, Sony with PS3...) and easily get bored of their hardware manufacturers. We have nothing that can actually prove to us that casuals don't stick to their manufacturers yet. In a worst case scenario, casuals can only be as bad and as easily bored as hardcores, almost certainly not worse.

Insulting is a bit far. Misinformed? Maybe

But, as I said, nintendo should keep the Wii going, at least 2 years after the Wii2 release with regiular, multiplat releases, as well as WiiWare, VC, 3rd Party etc. But, we'll have to see with the 3DS first!

Well, yeah, :P. I get a bit touchy when people criticize such an awesome game needlessly, xD. Besides, "shovelware" and "Wii whatevercrap" is insulting.



 

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