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Khuutra on 29 September 2010
c0rd said:
Khuutra said:

Rol: you will keep in mind that Fusion outsold Super, that Twilight Princess outsold every single Zelda that wasn't Ocarina of Time, and that Phantom Hourglass is the best-selling handheld Zelda ever.

Anecdotal appeals to authority of unestablished authority (fan opinions) are not convincing or even particularly relevant, on top of being fallacious.

I think the problem is that the sales for these series have stagnated (actually unsure about Metroid, ignoring it for now). Yes, Twilight Princess outsold the original Zelda overall, but its impact isn't anywhere close to the original, or OoT.

We've seen Mario grow with the new / recaptured audience Nintendo now has - the 70mil / 135mil strong audience gave us insane 2D Mario and Mario Kart sales, so there's no reason Zelda shouldn't be able to follow. Instead, sales have been stuck at its NES/N64 levels, which isn't very impressive, as the market was much smaller then (especially for the N64, with its <33mil base).

And it's not like single player Action / Adventure is out of style, as we've seen Assassin's Creed pull freakin 8-9 million out of its ass, twice now. Seeing that game top Zelda, just... feels wrong to me.


Oh, also, great response to wfz

I'm going to point out that 2-D Mario, as of yet, has not grown in any significant way - one may argue that it's actually shrunk unless NSMBWii sees a really, really spectacular holiday season. In terms of "impact" in comparison to install bases it's difficult to compare Super Mario World with New Super Mario Bros., for instance.

More, that's not acknowledging the fact that any given school of Zelda (there are at least three schools) is going to appeal to only so many people, and these people are often very different. The appeal of Zelda may not be dependent on installbase at all, which is an idea some people find uncomfortable but would be in rough keeping with the up-to-this-point zeniths and nadirs of the series.

Assassin's Creed and Zelda, in spite of sharing a genre (nominally, at that) are not that similar in terms of game design. Drawing direct comparison between them feels more than a little off-base.

@wfz:

Is there more than one Zelda team? Weren't Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks only made after Twilight Princess? I think your hate should be leveled at Skyward Sword, not Ocarina.

Besides

You get a portable Ocarina of Time next year. Holy shit!



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Shadowfest3 on 29 September 2010

Well I'm not a fan of Zelda and I can see where you're coming from; however, if a remake of an old game is what the fans of the series want, given not all, then I say give it to them.  Also, the remake will be in 3D, which I would think would add a freshness to the gameplay since the gamer will be more immersed in the game than ever before.  Also, I think Nintendo is trying to have a great launch for the 3DS and having one more game, whether it be a remake or not, on the list of launch titles will definitely help. 

Personally, I am looking forward to Mario Kart 3DS!  I have loved the series ever since it began!

P.S.  Also, with at least one Zelda title available, I would think for the most part, it would satisfy the masses which will give Nintendo ample time to make a new Zelda game for the 3DS in the future.

 



wfz on 29 September 2010
RolStoppable said:
wfz said:

What am I supposed to do without my portable Zelda? I weep. In the darkness. Alone.

 

Without my portable Zelda.

Go play Spirit Tracks, that will kill your desire to play a portable Zelda for a while.


I will always appreciate something new more than something ported, even if I -- oh goddamnit Rol. Why did you have to go there. :(

 

Khuutra said:

@wfz:

Is there more than one Zelda team? Weren't Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks only made after Twilight Princess? I think your hate should be leveled at Skyward Sword, not Ocarina.

Besides

You get a portable Ocarina of Time next year. Holy shit!


I would have assumed there were at least segments of the Zelda developers that would split themselves between "portable" and "home console" work. I honestly have no idea though. Just a clouded memory of things I have heard in the past.

 

If Skyward Sword is slowing down the development of the new Zelda 3DS game, that I can live with. That's okay. Because that's something new. But if OoT 3DS is slowing down the portable Zelda, then I have a problem with it.

"You get a portable Ocarina of Time next year. Holy shit!"

You are the essence evil. Tempting me and trying to awaken the Zelda fanboy nostalgia that rests deep within me. I know your kind!



zuvuyeay on 29 September 2010

i think the 3D is what nintendo will bank on being enough,

admittedly i'm no handheld man but at least Skyward Sword is coming



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Lastgengamer on 30 September 2010

I can't really see the problem with a Zelda OOT remake, Since it is a classic and this new version might even include extra dungeons, better controls, etcetera. So the graphic update wouldn't even be the main addition to me and besides it's not like Nintendo themselves have remade all that many games the only one that does come to mind in the last decade is Mario 64 DS.     



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Lastgengamer on 30 September 2010

Sry double post.



wfz on 30 September 2010
Lastgengamer said:

I can't really see the problem with a Zelda OOT remake, Since it is a classic and this new version might even include extra dungeons, better controls, etcetera. So the graphic update wouldn't even be the main addition to me and besides it's not like Nintendo themselves have remade all that many games the only one that does come to mind in the last decade is Mario 64 DS.     


Putting in new dungeons would mean a change in the story. Are we talking about a graphically updated remake of OoT, or are we talking about a re-invisioning of OoT?

If this game is substantially different from OoT and changes up the pace of the game and the dungeons and story, then I don't even know if I'd call it OoT anymore since then it just about shares as much with the rest of the Zeldas.

But I would much prefer that.



Lastgengamer on 30 September 2010
wfz said:
Lastgengamer said:

I can't really see the problem with a Zelda OOT remake, Since it is a classic and this new version might even include extra dungeons, better controls, etcetera. So the graphic update wouldn't even be the main addition to me and besides it's not like Nintendo themselves have remade all that many games the only one that does come to mind in the last decade is Mario 64 DS.     


Putting in new dungeons would mean a change in the story. Are we talking about a graphically updated remake of OoT, or are we talking about a re-invisioning of OoT?

If this game is substantially different from OoT and changes up the pace of the game and the dungeons and story, then I don't even know if I'd call it OoT anymore since then it just about shares as much with the rest of the Zeldas.

But I would much prefer that.

Well if it's in the same way Mario 64 was ported to the DS with extra stages I would still consider it basically the same game with bonus content and with only slight changes to the story.

I for one would also love to have a portable version of the game.



wfz on 30 September 2010
Lastgengamer said:
wfz said:
Lastgengamer said:

I can't really see the problem with a Zelda OOT remake, Since it is a classic and this new version might even include extra dungeons, better controls, etcetera. So the graphic update wouldn't even be the main addition to me and besides it's not like Nintendo themselves have remade all that many games the only one that does come to mind in the last decade is Mario 64 DS.     


Putting in new dungeons would mean a change in the story. Are we talking about a graphically updated remake of OoT, or are we talking about a re-invisioning of OoT?

If this game is substantially different from OoT and changes up the pace of the game and the dungeons and story, then I don't even know if I'd call it OoT anymore since then it just about shares as much with the rest of the Zeldas.

But I would much prefer that.

Well if it's in the same way Mario 64 was ported to the DS with extra stages I would still consider it basically the same game with bonus content and with only slight changes to the story.

I for one would also love to have a portable version of the game.

The only difference is that OoT's dungeons were much more integrated and important story-wise than the levels in SM64. Adding in new dungeons out of left field would need to have some sort of purpose in the storyline, unless they're just lame filler dungeons. Then meh.



Metallicube on 30 September 2010
wfz said:

I'm talking about the new remake of OoT. I've been around to numerous fansites and what do I see? People praising this game. Praising this re-release of a game we all played almost 15 years ago. It's fairly graphically updated sure, but since when did we all turn into graphics whores?

Nintendo knows they can make huge cash cow ports instead of putting real innovation and effort towards making a new game. They know it. It's true, and it's all because of all the fanboys' nostalgia for their beloved games.

How many ports of OoT have there been already? Why do some of you back up this game, back up Nintendo's laziness, when we could be getting new adventures and new gameplay from Nintendo?

Nostalgia. Nostalgia. Nostalgia. Go around to any site and you'll see countless fanboys creaming their pants over this game due to nostalgia. Nintendo knows this, and that's why Nintendo can be lazy and give us a coughed up 15 year old game.

 

I will never support this type of developer behavior.

How does everyone else here at VGC feel about this kind of developer behavior? I know there are at least a few fans on here who are going crazy with anticipation over this remake of OoT, and I want to ask you, why should we be excited for this? If you're  fan of OoT, haven't you played the game countless times already? Do you really want the same adventure, same gameplay that we have already been playing all these years? All because of slightly upgraded graphics? What else is there that I'm missing?

All I'm doing now is praying this isn't cutting at all into dev time for a real 3DS Zelda game - but I'm fairly sure it is. If someone can show me otherwise I would greatly appreciate it.

Ok, but why do you think people have such a passionate nostalgia for these types of games? Because they're REALLY good, better than many games today. I promise you people would not be nostalgic for a OOT remake if the original was terrible.