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Honestly the gameplay looks great okay sure dantes kinda ugly now but im not attracted to him lol. If ninja theory does a good story which their known for and some good gameplay ill be happy. Gosh they even said capcom told them to make him look offset so blame capcom for that......but blame ninja theory for the rest of the game which i think will be great,



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This is part 1 of 3 demo videos of Ashura's Wraith, which is a new action game from Capcom.

now i know theres a lot of criticism about DmC from fans, but had Capcom continued to make DMC, i think it wouldve ended up the same as this, which is consequently similar to the other DMC games.

just plain awful - the guy at the beginning just talks, and talks and talks pure and utter trash talk. it so boring, and what he says just makes you wish you wernt a gamer. because its painful to the ears, and offensive to human intelligence. and i think Ninja Theory will do a much better writing job than this, even though i've seen some people have a lack of faith in them, Ninja Theory are way better at writing scripts than this!!

I'll admit that I liked the "DmC" e3 2011 trailer, for doing justice of making a sick montage to glitch mob (the artist of the music lol). As a game with the devil may cry name attached to it, I feel unless the game is bundled with the 360/ps3 and a copy of twilight, it won't do as well as the previous games. I loved dmc1-4, every part of them blew me away. But with this...it's a true embarrassment; one of the main reasons why the game was so good was for the 'japanese' type development. The fighting isn't as outrageous, it feels too bland; I don't want more 'western styled' development, because this is a japanese game, and the reason its so cool is because of the influence of the japanese developers behind it. There's nothing we can do now but boycott it, or bargain bin the game, unfortunately.



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

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PureDante said:
I'll admit that I liked the "DmC" e3 2011 trailer, for doing justice of making a sick montage to glitch mob (the artist of the music lol). As a game with the devil may cry name attached to it, I feel unless the game is bundled with the 360/ps3 and a copy of twilight, it won't do as well as the previous games. I loved dmc1-4, every part of them blew me away. But with this...it's a true embarrassment; one of the main reasons why the game was so good was for the 'japanese' type development. The fighting isn't as outrageous, it feels too bland; I don't want more 'western styled' development, because this is a japanese game, and the reason its so cool is because of the influence of the japanese developers behind it. There's nothing we can do now but boycott it, or bargain bin the game, unfortunately.


With Antoniades basically saying that Japanese character design sucks, it doesn't surprise me that he has no respect for the source material. This game deserves to flop on principle. At least the real Dante got to  be in MvC3 before this piece of crap came out.



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Aiddon said:
PureDante said:
I'll admit that I liked the "DmC" e3 2011 trailer, for doing justice of making a sick montage to glitch mob (the artist of the music lol). As a game with the devil may cry name attached to it, I feel unless the game is bundled with the 360/ps3 and a copy of twilight, it won't do as well as the previous games. I loved dmc1-4, every part of them blew me away. But with this...it's a true embarrassment; one of the main reasons why the game was so good was for the 'japanese' type development. The fighting isn't as outrageous, it feels too bland; I don't want more 'western styled' development, because this is a japanese game, and the reason its so cool is because of the influence of the japanese developers behind it. There's nothing we can do now but boycott it, or bargain bin the game, unfortunately.


With Antoniades basically saying that Japanese character design sucks, it doesn't surprise me that he has no respect for the source material. This game deserves to flop on principle. At least the real Dante got to  be in MvC3 before this piece of crap came out.

Hahaha, its not that bad man. i can appreciate where you and other fans are coming from. but Ninja Theory orginally came to Capcom with a design for Dante not dissimillar to the Dante we know from DMC 1-3; but it was Capcom that asked them to make the design more radical.

of course i agree Ninja Theory have serious problems with Enslaved and maybe HS (which i didnt play), but i think at heart i think they are good at certain things.

i'm not sure what comments you are reffering to with Antoniades, but from interviews he dosent seem like an arrogant man - i dont think he would say something like that in contempt; and in all fairness it is Capcom who have the control here.

if they gave the game to another developer we would probabily end up with the same type of thing, because Capcom have decided they wanted a radical departure since before Ninja Theory were involved with the project.



A203D said:

Hahaha, its not that bad man. i can appreciate where you and other fans are coming from. but Ninja Theory orginally came to Capcom with a design for Dante not dissimillar to the Dante we know from DMC 1-3; but it was Capcom that asked them to make the design more radical.

It seems my definition of radical differs from Capcom's.



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holy...that shit looks sweet...maybe im buying a DMC since DMC1 again ^^



Ok, Ive got a bit of free time now so u will relay my feelings regarding the trailer properly.

I am not known for my brevity so if you are the type that hates a wall of text, here is the TL;DR version - while impressive for ninja theory,  this trailer is simply nowhere good enough.

 

The first point of contention is that they (NT) felt it necessary to highlight that this trailer is a work in progress. Sorry guys, that does not make them or it immune to criticism. Every game that hasn't gone Gold by any developer is a work in progress. To state that at the beginning of the trailer not only suggest a lack in confidence in your own product, but also highlights a built in need to be given special treatment. If platinum games can release prototypes of games that are only 4 months in development without such a disclaimer (bayonetta) I see no reason for ninja theory to do the same.

On to the trailer. While I did like the music, it was used in a very manipulative way. if you know anything about sound design you know certain tempos can provoke different emotional reactions in relation to the images shown on screen. While of all my points I readily admit this is the shakiest, it felt to me from even the start this trailer was trying to give a "told you so, so there vibe"

I won't comment on the setting or inception inspired environment as these are things I dint mind. While not classic DMC, they are perfectly acceptable as a new take on the franchise. I did think the use of Color was grossly overdone, but that has always been NT's style.

The first part of the combat was a series of combos with the new morphing sword. These begin with Dante failing around with the sword wildly instead of the controlled swordsman ship of old. I won’t comment negatively on this, although I personally don’t like it, as the story is supposed be set at a point where Dantes is not quite as skilled as he is in earlier titles. Even so, it shows the enemies as cannon fodder in a way that is not characteristic of the DMC series and suggests that enemies are slow to attack and do not prose a real threat.

After a quick cut we then see some of the air combat shown. What was evident straight away was the floaty physics and hit detection of the blows. It was neatly hidden by the "impact shake" added in the edit but still visible to the trained eye. What was more worrying is that the animations for these moves were not actually derived from Dante but rather Nero. This was especially noticeable as the downward slash was Nero’s split, not Dante’s helm breaker. The final nail in the coffin was that the helm breaker created no ground bounce as in previous titles. This has always been important for hit stun while continuing combos.

We then have sequence of Dante plunging his sword in a crawling enemies back :- a sadistic action that is far removed from the playful taunts and put downs of previous titles. Worse, the enemies in Devil may cry do not run away from our protagonist, in fact it is their relentless attacking that sets the tone for the pace of the combat. No matter how beaten, they kept coming back at you until you or they were dead.

I’ll talk about the god awful “dante trigger” in a later section but for now, lets move on to the next move on to the next section, the axe weapon in the alley way. Highly reminiscent of the Darksiders title, the axe weapon provides a 3 hit to knockdown function. On paper this is perfectly fine, but the way it is implemented shows immediate cause for concern. Firstly the animation for this heaver weapon is choppy, which is actually highlighted not hidden by the slowdown edit. Second, the hit detection leaves a lot to be desired as while the enemies are clearly hit by the weapon the first time and reacts accordingly; subsequent hits actually pass through their body before being registered for a reaction. While this can be true for any title, DMC has in the past been a lot better with this issue even in the ps2 days. The only title that isn’t is dmc2.

We then have Dante failing through a window into a gothic church reminiscent of previous titles. This is good and in limited doses, comprises a level of fan service that ninja theory should be commended on.  However, what happens in the church is not. We are treated to a dazzle of combos that are reasonable fast paced and somewhat stylish…at least on first view. Taking a moment to pause however reveals some horrendous oversights.

Firstly, rather than have the enemies truly react to being struck, they given 2 animations a static one and a hit one. It is jarring to watch in slow motion and is carefully hidden with the rotating camera.(this is a recurring theme) the changes of weapon are also badly animated, with Dantes new scythe being twirled around like a nunchuck, but having both a limited animation both with enemies and his own hands. Its quite poignant that the best move, where he twirls it in from of him similar to his old revolver move is by far the worst animated and thus, the camera is set at the furthest distance.    

We then are greeted with a spectacle of him rising with the enemies in tow, again with this twirl scythe being the facilitator. But if you notice closely, the enemies have no animation for the repeated hits of this combo, in fact remove the splash effects and would just think they are just rising in the air for no apparent reason. There is no feedback for each blow that connects.

It is ended with a sword strike which again seems more like an unfocused unskilled strike…to be honest, it looks more like being hit with a baseball bat.

Then we are treated to him returning to the ground with a volcano type move, which far as I can see actually is done well, except for the fact that the ground damage occurs before he even hits the ground. It is honestly hard to judge this because at this point the camera has become too dizzying.

Then we move on to the midboss who is the only enemy that is shown to attack. While his presence is signified by a bear howl…there is no audio cue for his attack, which again is a mainstay of the series.  Even discounting the intended slowdown of his charge, he moves extremely slow, but again this is a point that at this present moment I have no real problem with. The skystar move is a bit cheesy compared to the previous games, but it is reasonable. The awful animation of the axe helm breaker is not, nor is the final shock wave that erupts from it.

 

Visuals

Visually the game looks an absolute mess. Textures pop in and out, there are jagged edges everywhere everything looks rough and gritty and not in a nice way. Compare this trailer with enslaved and you can see that there are a lot of issues that clearly need to be ironied out to even match that game. This trailer makes DMC4 look like uncharted.

Weapons.

The weapons and their related moves seem to be borrowing from every game not named dmc. Darksiders light effects, heavenly sword, weapon switching, prototype’s whipfist, the list goes on. Compare the quality of the weapon compared to even what was suggested in the initial trailer and you can see clearly how the quality has gone way down. The whip fist in particular just seems like a cynical way to emulate Nero’s devil trigger and hasn’t been implemented well at all. There is no give when it is sent out, not is there any tension when it connects. It’s just a mess.

Dante trigger

Oh god for the love of whats holy? What the fuck? This is supposed to be a game how Dante becomes the Dante we know and love and now suddenly its some kind of power up derived from too many hours watching dragonball z? I love the old design but I would have preferred they just left it out entirely than butcher it like that. It’s frankly ridiculous that not only does his hair change colour, but the colour of his clothes suddenly become red too. It’s ridiculous and has created a plot black hole for a developer that is supposed to be renowned for creating cohesive stories.

Framerate framerate framerate.

If there is any proof why action games should be locked at 60FPS as a standard it’s this. The framerate was all over the place and affected everything from the weapon animation, to texture pop in. It’s insane how bad it looked at points. I fathom to think what the responsiveness of the controls will be like in response to this.

Like many of said, the bad character design, secrecy with the title and finally this trailer remind fans for of DMC2 than anything else. The absolutely  disgusting interview with alex jones shows that are concerns are not going to be address and are just being swept under the rug. The fact that it the director of DMC4 is overseeing this is not reassuring, we have not forgot how much he pandered to the producers wishes in DMC4 and the fact that he directed DMC2. While Ninja theory very well may impress with the voice acting and motion capture, they haven’t even matched their own standards with the art direction and are seriously lacking in the gameplay department, although nobody can say they haven’t given it a decent shot.

I actually could go on but I think that’s enough. That was the worst DMC trailer ever. It was however the best ninja theory trailer ever. Go figure. I will be not be buying this title, or even renting it. They had their chance to convince me and they have blew it.



thoughtspeak said:
I actually could go on but I think that’s enough. That was the worst DMC trailer ever. It was however the best ninja theory trailer ever. Go figure. I will be not be buying this title, or even renting it. They had their chance to convince me and they have blew it.

Delicious spite. We all know that NT would regard any criticism by plugging their ears with their fingersand going "LALALALALALALA!" Anyone who's ashamed of being a game designer needs to get out of the business and go somewhere else.