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TheRealMafoo said:
raptors11 said:

I agree with what you said in your opening post. I think you are right on the money with what you said. There's nothing I'd change from your opening post. You really hit the nail on the head with that post.


I agree. great post.


Thank you. I appreciate you being in agreement with my agreeing with the opening post.



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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
mai said:

non-gravity said:

The Crusades were a reaction to the expansion of Islam to places where Christians had been before.

On ideological level yes, but it's quite complex phenomenon to describe in one sentence given demography of those who participated in the Crusades. Often certain events of the Crusades have nothing to do with being anti-Islamic, hence the Christian Orthodox people who suffered from, simply put, brigandish raids of the crusaders.

All in all, attempts to present Christianity as 'tolerant' religion that laid down the foundations of modern morale of western world are a bit off. If the Crusades towards Islamic world could be explained as reactionary move, how'd you explain Northern Crusades against the Orthodox then, or internal oppression of heretics through the Inquisition etc.? Christianity as religious organization, i.e. Christian Church in it's original form (Roman Catholic Church), is hardly tolerant and used to be very expansionist (the same applies to the Orthodox Church). If anything laid such foundations, this's probably Protestant morale. Bottomline is... 'tolerance' is to a great extent is a phenomenon of modern western world morale, hardly Christinaity has anything to do with it.

original christian chruch is orthodox church not roman catholic

The Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were one and the same before the schism. Back then it was simply the Christian Church.


yes, but than catholic church seperated itself from orthodox church, so orthodox church is the original one



raptors11 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
raptors11 said:

I agree with what you said in your opening post. I think you are right on the money with what you said. There's nothing I'd change from your opening post. You really hit the nail on the head with that post.


I agree. great post.


Thank you. I appreciate you being in agreement with my agreeing with the opening post.





pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
mai said:

non-gravity said:

The Crusades were a reaction to the expansion of Islam to places where Christians had been before.

On ideological level yes, but it's quite complex phenomenon to describe in one sentence given demography of those who participated in the Crusades. Often certain events of the Crusades have nothing to do with being anti-Islamic, hence the Christian Orthodox people who suffered from, simply put, brigandish raids of the crusaders.

All in all, attempts to present Christianity as 'tolerant' religion that laid down the foundations of modern morale of western world are a bit off. If the Crusades towards Islamic world could be explained as reactionary move, how'd you explain Northern Crusades against the Orthodox then, or internal oppression of heretics through the Inquisition etc.? Christianity as religious organization, i.e. Christian Church in it's original form (Roman Catholic Church), is hardly tolerant and used to be very expansionist (the same applies to the Orthodox Church). If anything laid such foundations, this's probably Protestant morale. Bottomline is... 'tolerance' is to a great extent is a phenomenon of modern western world morale, hardly Christinaity has anything to do with it.

original christian chruch is orthodox church not roman catholic

The Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were one and the same before the schism. Back then it was simply the Christian Church.


yes, but than catholic church seperated itself from orthodox church, so orthodox church is the original one

They were both the same church and then they separated. Neither is the original Church, as that Church ceased to exist when they separated.



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This pastor should be able to burn those Qurans. Why? Because he's burning books, not the actual words that so many hold their faith to.

 

He's burning paper. Who cares if he's trying to be offensive? Is the world really giving this guy attention because he wants to get a rise out of people? Really?

 

It's not like he's going over there and forcing them to believe in his denomination of Christianity. In my mind, the people upset about this are doing so simply because they want something to complain about. They want a justification to complain.

 

Things are getting bad when petty things like this are getting so much attention. May God have mercy on us all.



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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
mai said:

non-gravity said:

The Crusades were a reaction to the expansion of Islam to places where Christians had been before.

On ideological level yes, but it's quite complex phenomenon to describe in one sentence given demography of those who participated in the Crusades. Often certain events of the Crusades have nothing to do with being anti-Islamic, hence the Christian Orthodox people who suffered from, simply put, brigandish raids of the crusaders.

All in all, attempts to present Christianity as 'tolerant' religion that laid down the foundations of modern morale of western world are a bit off. If the Crusades towards Islamic world could be explained as reactionary move, how'd you explain Northern Crusades against the Orthodox then, or internal oppression of heretics through the Inquisition etc.? Christianity as religious organization, i.e. Christian Church in it's original form (Roman Catholic Church), is hardly tolerant and used to be very expansionist (the same applies to the Orthodox Church). If anything laid such foundations, this's probably Protestant morale. Bottomline is... 'tolerance' is to a great extent is a phenomenon of modern western world morale, hardly Christinaity has anything to do with it.

original christian chruch is orthodox church not roman catholic

The Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were one and the same before the schism. Back then it was simply the Christian Church.


yes, but than catholic church seperated itself from orthodox church, so orthodox church is the original one

They were both the same church and then they separated. Neither is the original Church, as that Church ceased to exist when they separated.

Together, they were both like orthodox church . Than they got seperated. The orthofox church stayed the same and roman catholic seperated itself and became the new one. So orthodox church is the original one, because catholics changed and separated themselfes, orthodox didnt.



pizzahut451 said:

Together, they were both like orthodox church . Than they got seperated. The orthofox church stayed the same and roman catholic seperated itself and became the new one. So orthodox church is the original one, because catholics changed and separated themselfes, orthodox didnt.

That's rather simplified view on things, in fact, Roman Catholic Church consider tradition that predates the Great Schism as own history.



Joelcool7 said:

Being a Canadian and a Christian I am over whelmingly patriotic. I love my country and my God but I've noticed comparing us to the Muslims and the Middle East our religions and nationals are really a bunch of cowards.

Now don't get me wrong I do not believe we should start burning Qur'ans and drawing pictures of Mohammed on the toilet or insulting peoples faiths. But why is it okay for everyone around the world to dump on North America but when we do one thing the whole world freaks out.

Every day in the Muslim world Bibles are burned and desecrated. Christians in North Africa and the Middle East get raped then murdered brutally for their faith. Yet North American's do absolutely nothing , we hear the odd activist go on TV and vocalize their position. But you don't see Christian's in the streets burning Palestinian flags or Somalian flags. You don't see huge crowds of Christians screaming death to Muslims and burning charactures of Mohammed.

Yet a few days ago I saw Muslim protestor burning epogies of Jesus Christ and screaming death to Christians. Now as a Christian I think an eye for an eye is not a good way to do things but you'd think that somebody would stand up and do something.

Think a second really what was that moronic pastor doing? He was yes being very confrontational but he was just going to do something that Muslims do to Christian's every day. I actually saw more footage of Muslims burning Bible's, where are the angry Christian's? Why aren't our governments yelling and getting upset at Saudi Arabia or Palestine for burning Bible's?

You don't see the Pope calling the President of Turkey and asking them to stop muslims from desecrating our holy books. Also it isn't just Christian's what about Afghanistan where thousands of Buddhist holy texts and Buddha statues were destroyed. Nobody said a thing we just sat by and watched it happen.

Now a mosque wants to move into ground Zero. Now constitutionaly they have every write to build one, but a greek church across the street isn't alowed to build. Then rumours swirl around that the politicians want to make peace with hardline muslims and this mosque could help appease them.


WTF why are we appeasing anyone. The Muslim countries never do anything to appease us.

Free speach for example. I was so upset when South Park was going to air an episode with Mohammed and before it aired their were protests and death threats flying around. Finally the south park creators censored the episode. But its perfectly fine for South Park and everyone else to insult Jesus and North America but you insult Islam and your dead.

 

So why doesn't North America grow a back bone. Seriously I don't agree with burning anyones holy book. But if some whack pastor wants to burn one in retaliation for 9/11 or South Park wants to air an episode with Mohammed. Frick sakes they have every right to express their opinions.

Anyone wonder why our countries cower to the Middle East?

I've never seen burning copies of the Bible or caricatures of Jesus nor seen vast crowds of Muslims chanting death to Christians. Probably because mainstream media hasn't picked up on it and didn't consider it news worthy enough. Perhaps you could provide a link or video link. You and your groups of Christian friends could spread the word via Facebook and Youtube as happended to the current Qu'ran burning incident. I think you're exaggerating the violent abuse of Christians in Muslim countries. There have been massacres which must be condemned to the fullest but it's usually tit for tat in a small number of countries such as Nigeria and Indonesia while in other Muslim countries Christians are usually oppressed somewhat rather than being raped and murdered. But why would Christians burn Palestinian and Somalian flags for no reason? That's stupid. About the Buddhist statues being blown up by the Taliban, I remember that very well, it was big news and rightly condemned but what's the moral relevance? Were Americans to blame? North American isn't a Buddhist stronghold. And have you researched the reaction in majority Buddhist countries? Chances are there would have been major protests. As for the Greek Church destroyed on 9/11 not being rebuilt that's down to money, not politics and religion. And rumours are just that...rumours not facts.

Also religion still plays a big part in the political sphere of Muslim countries and one of the most widely disseminated strands of Islam was the Saudi Arabian Wahabi school of thought (look it up...it's EXTREME). Saudi oil money was offered to tens of thousands of Muslim communities around the world and it allowed mosques and madrassas to be built but in return they had to install a Wahabi sect taught Islamic clergy. This went on for decades right under the noses of successive US Administrations. They turned a blind eye because Saudi Arabia was a major oil producing ally, a major source of foreign income for US arms manufacturers and a major investor in the US economy and also the US was too busy keeping populism and communism in check. You can see why mainstream media ignores it if you take all that into account. The Al Qaeda and Taliban the US is in fight with today....they were all taught Wahabi Islam from a young age in madrassas in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Let's see it another way. If you see the War on Terror as a Christian vs Muslim conflict (which it's not) well that's how a lot of Muslims in the Muslim world see it. How many 'Islamic' soldiers, tanks, artillery, soliders, helicopters, drones and jet planes do you see when you look out of your window? Ask a Muslim from the Muslim world, chances are they've probably seen a 'Christian' equivalent. If you want to talk numbers killed, it's overwhelmingly one way. You want to talk about Muslim countries not appeasing? Really? The US dominates the Gulf.



OP your both a christian and a patriot. People like you sicken me. Also the reason the west doesn't burn flags or burn effigies like muslims do is because doing that sort of thing is just stupid and we are better than that (burning flags that is i am not saying that western values are superior to muslim ones).



HughbertJass said:

OP your both a christian and a patriot. People like you sicken me.


Why?