I'm not a fan of quoatas myself, but the idea behind it is to make access to universities easier to a group of people who would rarelly ever get there otherwise because they have weaker  education prior to that. It's meant to be a way to help income distribution by distributing study better, a way to make sure people won't be stuck in a loop because they were born on poverty and never get a chance to get ou of it. That's why the system works in a way that the student who's elegible for the quotas get's a big advantage over the others. Still, the percentage is small and it's not like getting in without them gets that much harder, even if it obviously does get harder.

Why is that stupid, or better yet, worse than what you described?

About America, kinda. They do define Anglo-America and Latin America as well as South, Central and North America, so it depends on the context.

"If I would have died, nothing would have happened. There is no God and certainly no heaven."

That's why I hate  debates, they get nowhere. Me and you are different. I don't believe in those things and that's my point. My whole life, even as a kid, I never did. I never studied religion at school (it was an option), it never appealed to me. Heck even my mom isn't religious. We never went to church. Anyway, you get my point, religion was NEVER a part of my life except for that baptism. God to me is like Santa Claus, fictional being. I never even believed in Santa Claus as a child.

It just makes no sense to me that my mom did it. I never will understand it and it was completely pointless. No it didn't hurt me in any way but it still doesn't change the fact that it's silly to do it.

Oh and your comparison with a b-day party is quite flawed. A B-day has a purpose and is beneficial to me. While the baptism isn't, it was a forced religious ceremony.

I agree with you that there is no God and therefore on a spiritual level the baptism meant nothing, but if it made your mom feel better and more safe without doing you any harm then I think it's alright.  I was baptised as well as a child and even forced to go to church but I don't hold it against my parents because they did it because it helped them feel better and more safe about my "soul" without hurting me so what's the harm in it?

It's stupid because it gurantees inequality based on race.   With the way it works in america... people with quotas still get a big advantage, because they have less competition for said spots if said inequality exists.

It self adjusts for how well and how bad said students are doing.... which is important since the goal is equality. You always make sure the percentage is equal to what it should be.

It's not an actual debate.  That's actually the way parents look at it.

Said parents would be worried and have way more sterss on their shoulders for 15 years.  That's not a debate.  That's reality.  Even if your right, the stress religious parents feel would still be there.

 You are saying "I didn't want a pointless thing which has harm done to give people much less stress for 15 years."

Do you get mad if religious people put you in their nightly prayers.

My parents could of ordained me as a muslim, hacidic jew or satanist as a kid... and I wouldn't of cared.  If it took stress off them, or hell even if they just enjoyed the free ordourves that came with it, i'd be happy because they got something out of it they liked and there was no harm to me.

They're my parents, and there really isn't enough that could be done to pay them back.  To complain about a harmless cerimony that did nothing and that you hold no significance or point to is just... ungrateful.  Hell you probably don't even remember it happening.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but your arguement is basically, "I'm mad that this thing I think is pointless and didn't hurt me in anyway was done to me and gave my mother joy."

And furthermore that it shouldn't be done to other kids, despite no negatives being done to them... and the positives being a benefit to their parents.

I don't give a shit about that stuff since law enforcement are much stronger than they used to be and things like religions are generally not needed in a developed country where people need to obey the law. It's useless and binds you down, not to mention it's wrong since I'm Chinese and we've been around much longer on recorded history and only 3000 years later that somebody was born, to Europe, none the less, to sprout bullshit that was common sense to the teachings of Confucius, how fucking conceited is this shit?

You would be right if not for one thing: the inequality in the States is a completely different beast from the inequality in Brazil.

The idea behind the quotas is to fight inequality and poor income distribution, and here their enemy is much bigger and much stronger than in the USA, so the system itself also has to be stronger in order to remain effective. Truth is that the chances of a low-income-family student are ridiculously lower here, instead of just lower. And unless more of these people get a good education, it'll never get better. That's the reasoning. It's callibrated to make a difference but still not be too taxing on the other students.

We have quotas for race but we have them for low-income/porr education too. I don't agree with the reasoning behind the first one, being that even when they do have money black people (I won't take indians in consideration here) are descriminated against and all that. Sure, it too is a bigger problem here than in USA, but I still don't think it's a big enough problem in a solid majority of cases. Still, the other, the "social quotas", are a lot more justified.

I still don't like the system as a whole, I think the selection and level for the quotas should be much less digital, but it does have it's merits and good reasons for being different from the one you describe. I think that, and understand why, you're being too superficial about it as a system in an isolated vacuum, without taking in consideration the vast differences between different countrys.

''Love'' ''Peace'' ''Freedom'' ''Justice''...  I think you'll find that religion STANDS UP for all those things

Yes I'm quite sure all the persecuted gays agree with you on that one. To be fair,most religious books are a pick and mix affair with violence and peace,hate and love and so on...

That was a great joke, I almost fell off my chair laughing.