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bmmb1 said:

He did say on a single console, just not in the title. You disagree with that school of thought (to which I also belong), but that is fine. Given that though, when a game appears both on the 360 and the PC, that game is not an exclusive, agreed? And to determine which film has sold most, you'll of course count the dvd sales as well, correct? And you do agree with me that Silent Hill Shattered memories has done quite well (given its probable budget), having sold roughly 500k according to VGC? Just checking.


What the hell are you going on about?



 

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Gnizmo said:
pearljammer said:

Who makes up these arbitrary rules anyhow?

I couldn't care less what game reached 15 millions copies sold faster, but I think Modern Warfare 2 is one game, regardless of how many platforms it is on. If they're referring to games belonging to a specific console, state it as so, otherwise it's just confusing/misleading (unintentional). For a news article, it's an error that should be fixed, I think.


It is stated quite clearly in the article. The article addresses the exact complaints of this thread in fact. It explains perfectly what it is referring to and justifies the reasoning completely.

Whoa. I feel sheepish. I'd even read it and somehow missed that.

I retract my statement!

Edit: But I think the title is misleading and that it is a strange and arbitrary rule to apply.



Seece said:
mortono said:

Ask yourself: If MW2 was on a single-platform, say X-BOX, would it have reached 15m that fast?

By the way, why don't we combine platforms of New Super Mario Bros? DS Wii = 35 million. Wow. Best selling game EVAR.

(and this works since everyone says the Wii version is just a DS port as you know)

Again weak, just because they have the same title doesn't mean they're the same game.

MW2 PS360 are the same game.

I bet you were one of those people who, not long ago, said NSMB Wii was just a port of the DS version.

Now you are backtracking, of course.

Comparing the combined sales of multi-platform games is a backwards way of measuring games sales. NPD recently did this with their "top 10 best selling games" and they got "Namco Museum" in their top 10 list.

I'm sure you remember Namco Museum, don't you? Oh you don't? Well it apparently outsold Grand Theft Auto 4, somehow. That's because when you combine the 40 odd platforms that it was released on, you get amazing sales.

Same goes for Guitar Hero 3, Madden 07, and all the Call of Duty games on that list. When you combine the sales across platforms it distorts things.

This is not to say Modern Warfare 2 is not a strong selling title. But my guess is that if it was exclusive to X-box or PS3, it wouldn't be reaching 15 million as fast as 2d Mario.



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mortono said:
Seece said:
mortono said:

Ask yourself: If MW2 was on a single-platform, say X-BOX, would it have reached 15m that fast?

By the way, why don't we combine platforms of New Super Mario Bros? DS Wii = 35 million. Wow. Best selling game EVAR.

(and this works since everyone says the Wii version is just a DS port as you know)

Again weak, just because they have the same title doesn't mean they're the same game.

MW2 PS360 are the same game.

I bet you were one of those people who, not long ago, said NSMB Wii was just a port of the DS version.

Now you are backtracking, of course.

Comparing the combined sales of multi-platform games is a backwards way of measuring games sales. NPD recently did this with their "top 10 best selling games" and they got "Namco Museum" in their top 10 list.

I'm sure you remember Namco Museum, don't you? Oh you don't? Well it apparently outsold Grand Theft Auto 4, somehow. That's because when you combine the 40 odd platforms that it was released on, you get amazing sales.

Same goes for Guitar Hero 3, Madden 07, and all the Call of Duty games on that list. When you combine the sales across platforms it distorts things.

This is not to say Modern Warfare 2 is not a strong selling title. But my guess is that if it was exclusive to X-box or PS3, it wouldn't be reaching 15 million as fast as 2d Mario.

Nope, I don't take notice of what games come out for wii, or it's sales. You think I'm some sort of wii basher just because I'm bringing this incorrect news title into focus. You have a jaded view of folk on here clearly ...

All I'm seeing is you trying to say multiplatform games don't count. MW2 is A game, 1 platform or 3, as long as it isn't any different, it's the same game. MW2 is the same on PS3 and 360, therefore it's the fastest game to reach 15 million.



 

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mortono said:

Ask yourself: If MW2 was on a single-platform, say X-BOX, would it have reached 15m that fast?

By the way, why don't we combine platforms of New Super Mario Bros? DS Wii = 35 million. Wow. Best selling game EVAR.

(and this works since everyone says the Wii version is just a DS port as you know)


No its not, new super mario bros wii has way better level design than new super mario bros and none of the leves excpet for the first one are the same. a port implies is all they did was make the exact same game and just put it on the wii

 

also the article was referring to NSMBW being the fastest to reach 15 million on a single console, how hard is that to get



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pearljammer said:
Gnizmo said:
pearljammer said:

Who makes up these arbitrary rules anyhow?

I couldn't care less what game reached 15 millions copies sold faster, but I think Modern Warfare 2 is one game, regardless of how many platforms it is on. If they're referring to games belonging to a specific console, state it as so, otherwise it's just confusing/misleading (unintentional). For a news article, it's an error that should be fixed, I think.


It is stated quite clearly in the article. The article addresses the exact complaints of this thread in fact. It explains perfectly what it is referring to and justifies the reasoning completely.

Whoa. I feel sheepish. I'd even read it and somehow missed that.

I retract my statement!

Activision's Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, available for the two HD platforms - which have a slightly bigger base than Wii - reached 15 million units combined at an earlier date than New Super Mario Bros. Wii while launching at roughly the same time. However, the availability of the title on multiple platforms effectively doubles its "time" on the market.


Is this the "reasoning"?




 

Seece said:
pearljammer said:
Gnizmo said:
pearljammer said:

Who makes up these arbitrary rules anyhow?

I couldn't care less what game reached 15 millions copies sold faster, but I think Modern Warfare 2 is one game, regardless of how many platforms it is on. If they're referring to games belonging to a specific console, state it as so, otherwise it's just confusing/misleading (unintentional). For a news article, it's an error that should be fixed, I think.


It is stated quite clearly in the article. The article addresses the exact complaints of this thread in fact. It explains perfectly what it is referring to and justifies the reasoning completely.

Whoa. I feel sheepish. I'd even read it and somehow missed that.

I retract my statement!

Activision's Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, available for the two HD platforms - which have a slightly bigger base than Wii - reached 15 million units combined at an earlier date than New Super Mario Bros. Wii while launching at roughly the same time. However, the availability of the title on multiple platforms effectively doubles its "time" on the market.


Is this the "reasoning"?


I added an edit. It does seem like an arbitrary rule added.



Torillian said:

under that argument isn't Source just making noise until he can prove WoW didn't sell faster than NSMBWii?  I mean Seece is just saying based on the information we have that NSMBWii isn't the fastest selling game to 15 million and your argument is that he shouldn't say that because he can't be sure about the affect of PC game sales, which should apply to Source as well.  He would also be "picking and choosing the data that supports his argument"

In a sense yes, although I'd wager dollars to donuts WoW didn't beat NSMBWii to 15 million. However there is a separate context that I obviously did not fully flesh out. Thesource's article is clearly talking about sales within certain contexts. In this case how quickly a game reached 15 million on a single platform. The rebuttal is that outside of that context it isn't true as MW2 sold 15 million faster across two platforms. Once you go down that road though you have to look at it holistically which no one in this thread has the data for.

So unless Seece has a different way of explaining it I will stand by my point. Within the context of the article Thesource is right and justifies it entirely. Trying to take the statements out of context and put them up against a different set of criterion is entirely dishonest. More so when the person doesn't actually have the data needed to support the claim using their own criteria.



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pearljammer said:
Seece said:
pearljammer said:
Gnizmo said:
pearljammer said:

Who makes up these arbitrary rules anyhow?

I couldn't care less what game reached 15 millions copies sold faster, but I think Modern Warfare 2 is one game, regardless of how many platforms it is on. If they're referring to games belonging to a specific console, state it as so, otherwise it's just confusing/misleading (unintentional). For a news article, it's an error that should be fixed, I think.


It is stated quite clearly in the article. The article addresses the exact complaints of this thread in fact. It explains perfectly what it is referring to and justifies the reasoning completely.

Whoa. I feel sheepish. I'd even read it and somehow missed that.

I retract my statement!

Activision's Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, available for the two HD platforms - which have a slightly bigger base than Wii - reached 15 million units combined at an earlier date than New Super Mario Bros. Wii while launching at roughly the same time. However, the availability of the title on multiple platforms effectively doubles its "time" on the market.


Is this the "reasoning"?


I added an edit. It seems like an arbitrary rule added simply to change an outcome.

It took MW2 8 weeks to hit 15 million, even if we take Sources silly idea about it having effectively double the amount of time. That makes it 16 weeks.

16 weeks faster than NSMB

basically, unless the game is exclusive, it doesn't count.