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Miguel_Zorro said:
Serious question for those of you who own a DS. What is it that makes it so appealing to so many people? I just have little to no interest in it. I have no ill-will towards it, I just don't understand what drives such high sales. (Although in the interest of full disclosure, I have given one as a gift).

The library.

Probably the biggest and and most diverse library there is.



                            

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Miguel_Zorro said:
Serious question for those of you who own a DS. What is it that makes it so appealing to so many people? I just have little to no interest in it. I have no ill-will towards it, I just don't understand what drives such high sales. (Although in the interest of full disclosure, I have given one as a gift).

I have more DS games than I have of any other platform bar PC. It just has loads of great games and is especially good if you commute and on any sort of journey. It's well designed as a portable; long battery life, book-like interface etc.



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Buzzi said:
Probably the Wii will be down YoY for a month or so mainly because of shortages in US...then there are MH3, SMG2 and Metroid Other M, which will sell some more systems, and hopefully the shortages will end in April-May, so this year will most likely be better than 2009 (both sales and quality wise).

DS is reaching great numbers, 150+m LTD is pretty sure (hell, it may reach 150m even before 2010 ends!).

Nintendo should ship no less than 145 Million end of this year, if DS keeps on selling well like now shipments will top PS2 around September. I can see DS doing about 175 Million if it stays on the market long enough.

Yes, I'd see Wii reaching quite easily 150M LTD (even 160M, I'd dare to say, particularly if the number of well-off in China, India and other emerging countries increase enough during this gen), but DS should even more easily go beyond that.

wolf like your tuff i agree too Wii wil Outsell Ps2



Miguel_Zorro said:
Serious question for those of you who own a DS. What is it that makes it so appealing to so many people? I just have little to no interest in it. I have no ill-will towards it, I just don't understand what drives such high sales. (Although in the interest of full disclosure, I have given one as a gift).

I bought one in 2004, because I was a nintendo fan, always have been until 2005..

The fact it offered a touch screen and 3d graphics really made it a must buy for me, and I didn't even care about the PSP, I always thought it was a boot legged handheld that would just flop. Then again, I bought a PSP because it was the "it" thing to get in 2005/2006, I bought it, and my DS wasn't even touched afterwards, its what got me into PS gaming.

Now I use both my DS LITE and PSP 3000 regularly, but mostly my PSP 3000 because of the extensive amount of demos on PSN. I never will know why the DS is such a crazy selling machine, I guess its the marketing.



 

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leo-j said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Serious question for those of you who own a DS. What is it that makes it so appealing to so many people? I just have little to no interest in it. I have no ill-will towards it, I just don't understand what drives such high sales. (Although in the interest of full disclosure, I have given one as a gift).

I bought one in 2004, because I was a nintendo fan, always have been until 2005..

The fact it offered a touch screen and 3d graphics really made it a must buy for me, and I didn't even care about the PSP, I always thought it was a boot legged handheld that would just flop. Then again, I bought a PSP because it was the "it" thing to get in 2005/2006, I bought it, and my DS wasn't even touched afterwards, its what got me into PS gaming.

Now I use both my DS LITE and PSP 3000 regularly, but mostly my PSP 3000 because of the extensive amount of demos on PSN. I never will know why the DS is such a crazy selling machine, I guess its the marketing.

I'm going to take the opportunity to answer Miguel_Zorro and correct leo-j at the same time. This is a jerk thing to do but I need it to be read by both of you because I am in that sort of mood (a dark, foul mood).

Nintendo DS sells that well because the software library appeals to many, many, many people.

That's all.



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The PSP's software library appeals to many many people, and does it sell like that? Its marketing.. and word of mouth, thats the truth.. that and its the successor to the gameboy the best selling handheld system before the DS. I have a DS, and it's not the god that you guys make it seem to be..



 

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leo-j said:
The PSP's software library appeals to many many people, and does it sell like that? Its marketing.. and word of mouth, thats the truth.. that and its the successor to the gameboy the best selling handheld system before the DS. I have a DS, and it's not the god that you guys make it seem to be..

No, leo-j, here's the truth:

You can blame it on markeitng, you can blame it on clever manipulation of demographics, you can even (if you are desperate) blame it on the consumer being dumb, but the truth is just that the DS's library is much more appealing to many more people. That's all there is.

Your tastes do not come close to reflecting the majority, and sales show it.



leo-j said:
The PSP's software library appeals to many many people, and does it sell like that? Its marketing.. and word of mouth, thats the truth.. that and its the successor to the gameboy the best selling handheld system before the DS. I have a DS, and it's not the god that you guys make it seem to be..

The library of the DS appeals to more people and it's way bigger. Why marketing? If anthing it's Sony's marketing fault for sucking. And if it's word of mouth it's because people liked it, if the PSP doesn't sell because word of mouth it's because they didn't like it as much as the DS, which is when library comes into account. Being the succesor of the gameboy probably helped in the start, but the DS isn't selling hundred of thousands every week because of that. I can say that had a PSP, and it's not the god of multimedia devices that you make it seem to be.



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Wii or DS don't sell more because of their "games library". Casual gamers who buy them don't even know what games are on the console. They know "people buy Wii", mostly because of small motion control party games, and DS has pokemon and casual games. That's all.

They sell more only because they're made for casual gamers and it's fashionable to buy a Nintendo console right now.

The world has a lot more grandmas and kids than there are core gamers, so of course it sells more. Casual things will always sell more than core gamers materials.

It has nothing to do with the library, it's more about "hype" and fashion around Nintendo brand and motion controls.

But for us core gamers, the great games are still on PS3 or on 360, and the handheld to have is the PSP (MGS 5, LBP, Monster Hunter, Valkyria, GTA...). The Wii is still not so appealing, with the exception of Mario and Zelda games.

DS and Wii simply don't have enough technical abilities to bring great games on it anyway.



mario64 said:

Wii or DS don't sell more because of their "games library". Casual gamers who buy them don't even know what games are on the console. They know "people buy Wii", mostly because of small motion control party games, and DS has pokemon and casual games. That's all.

They sell more only because they're made for casual gamers and it's fashionable to buy a Nintendo console right now.

The world has a lot more grandmas and kids than there are core gamers, so of course it sells more. Casual things will always sell more than core gamers materials.

It has nothing to do with the library, it's more about "hype" and fashion around Nintendo brand and motion controls.

But for us core gamers, the great games are still on PS3 or on 360, and the handheld to have is the PSP (MGS 5, LBP, Monster Hunter, Valkyria, GTA...). The Wii is still not so appealing, with the exception of Mario and Zelda games.

DS and Wii simply don't have enough technical abilities to bring great games on it anyway.

This is a ridiculous notion. The consumer is not stupid, and te consumer is not uneducated about their buying decisions; pretending that they are either of these thigns is jsut flimsy justification for the idea that the general consumers has value sets that deviate from your own.

The Wii and DS sell on the strength of their libraries, period.

This last statement exemplifies why your value set deviates so far from the norm that you're unable to understand what's appealing about these libraries.