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Arius Dion on 11 March 2010

I think the reason why message boards are a blaze with this is because of the hypocrisy. The same companies who spent years calling Motion Controls a fad, a gimmick, and every other disparaging adjective they could find in websters are now shoehorning Motion Controls onto their machines. Which also coincidentally, had fans of those systems echoing the same sentiments about Wii and its Controls. Seems people started doing a 180 after E3 09 inr egards to MC's.



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redspear on 11 March 2010
MikeB said:
@ famousringo

Sadly marketing and commercial success play an enormous part in the perception of people. For example many people think Microsoft wrote (the technically horrible) MSDOS, while in fact the a sole programmer copied source codes of CP/M and Microsoft only bought this from the programmer when the OS was still called Quick and Dirty OS (QDOS) for 25,000 dollars. (lack of insight by IBM managers then made Microsoft into what it is today)

Mike the Amiga was a wonderful machine that was way ahead of its time. However the PARC system developed in the early 70s featured pre emptive Multitasking and allowed for for copy and paste between spreadsheets and other applications.

 

While you attack MS for taking DOS. You are forgetting the big one where Apple stole a GUI and now most people think Apple invented it. In fact most people who think of MS today think of Windows and not DOS. 

 

The implementation of motion in gaming is what made motion gaming come back not just the technology.



McClaren on 11 March 2010
Acevil said:
Carl2291 said:
I fail to see how this is true.

We all know how Nintendo are the only ones to innovate, and everything is really copying them. If this isn't true, people will whine.

You should know this by now.

I think you might have it slightly wrong, the reasons why Sony and Microsoft are getting the copy card thrown at them, is due to the focus on motion controller. Nintendo was one that made it relevant in the industry, and now microsoft and sony have to find a way to enter the market.

Just like microsoft made online relevant in the industry, it existed before them, but they brought it up as a key part of the console industry and people will state the psn has/had to play catchup and offer similar features and benefits.

Sony remote might get more slack because it looks very similar to the wii mote and numchuck combo, regardless if the idea was always originally not nintendo, it is the execution that is causing this effect of people calling sony move a copycat.

Edit: I know you were joking somewhat.


This is why I can't wait for Sony to use 3D gaming with Nintendo and Microsoft having to follow them. Then they can act like 5 year olds and whine about them copying.



nightsurge on 11 March 2010
McClaren said:
Acevil said:
Carl2291 said:
I fail to see how this is true.

We all know how Nintendo are the only ones to innovate, and everything is really copying them. If this isn't true, people will whine.

You should know this by now.

I think you might have it slightly wrong, the reasons why Sony and Microsoft are getting the copy card thrown at them, is due to the focus on motion controller. Nintendo was one that made it relevant in the industry, and now microsoft and sony have to find a way to enter the market.

Just like microsoft made online relevant in the industry, it existed before them, but they brought it up as a key part of the console industry and people will state the psn has/had to play catchup and offer similar features and benefits.

Sony remote might get more slack because it looks very similar to the wii mote and numchuck combo, regardless if the idea was always originally not nintendo, it is the execution that is causing this effect of people calling sony move a copycat.

Edit: I know you were joking somewhat.


This is why I can't wait for Sony to use 3D gaming with Nintendo and Microsoft having to follow them. Then they can act like 5 year olds and whine about them copying.

Lol except 3D gaming was done ages ago too, sorry...



Wonktonodi on 11 March 2010
Cheebee said:
Wonktonodi said:
Cheebee said:
Wonktonodi said:
Cheebee said:

It doesn't really matter who first came up with the initial idea, it's who took the idea and made it into something big, appealing and successful. And while Sony or any other company may or may not have come up with some/a lot of great concepts in videogaming first, fact remains it was Nintendo who pioneered most of the things that are now considered industry standards by intuitively implementing them and making them successful. Some examples would be the D-pad, shoulder buttons, analog sticks, rumble, touchscreen gaming, Z-targeting, 3D platforming and motion sensing. Whether these may or may not have been Nintendo's own inventions is beside the point: they are the ones who made it into what it is these days.

They are the one that some people think made these things big, but public perception is often more important than reality. 

Not quite sure what you're trying to say there... who do you think 'the public' thinks made these things, then? I'm pretty sure whenever you mention things like '3D platforming', 'D-pad', or 'motion sensing', they will think of Nintendo, not some obscure company from the '80's or earlier that most people have probably never even heard of.

well what about analog sticks I think peopel would think of sony for that even if they didn't use it first but because they used 2 and things got big with it during late ps days.    Not some obscure company from the 80s,  just saying how not even all the things on your first list are things that all would associate with Nintedo first.  Some rightly so and others it gets associated with someone who used it latter than instead of before nintendo. 

I guess what I was getting at is that people try use public perception to complain about a company making a copy of something when at the same time the public perception is often wrong.  So those that are complaining have a misguided complaint. 

Ah, alright then. Yeah, well in my 1st post I was referring to us informed gamers, not the public. I'm pretty sure the majority of informed gamers knows the things I mentioned were Nintendo's doing. You were more referring to the public perception side of things, so I see where you're coming from.

Of course, there may be some things the general public doesn't see as Nintendo's inventions, like you mentioned, but that I really don't know for sure, 'cos I'm too much into gaming to be considered uninfluenced public. Of course, a lot of those things also have to do with what/whoever is the most popular. The PS1 and 2 were much more popular than the N64 and GC, so of course more people from the uninformed, general public, will think things like the analog stick for example are a playstation thing. In the same way, and probably even moreso, things like touch screen gaming and motion sensing are nowadays seen as things Nintendo pioneered.

yeah touch screen gaming and motion seen as nintendo pioneered or more than that they made them big.  The pioneers are the ones no one knows or cares to remember.  Who knows if they both become standard a few gaming generations from now though.  I'm not sure if they will be as much a standard as other things are but definatly more common.  Since other companies are useing those strategies as well now. 



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McClaren on 11 March 2010
nightsurge said:
McClaren said:
Acevil said:
Carl2291 said:
I fail to see how this is true.

We all know how Nintendo are the only ones to innovate, and everything is really copying them. If this isn't true, people will whine.

You should know this by now.

I think you might have it slightly wrong, the reasons why Sony and Microsoft are getting the copy card thrown at them, is due to the focus on motion controller. Nintendo was one that made it relevant in the industry, and now microsoft and sony have to find a way to enter the market.

Just like microsoft made online relevant in the industry, it existed before them, but they brought it up as a key part of the console industry and people will state the psn has/had to play catchup and offer similar features and benefits.

Sony remote might get more slack because it looks very similar to the wii mote and numchuck combo, regardless if the idea was always originally not nintendo, it is the execution that is causing this effect of people calling sony move a copycat.

Edit: I know you were joking somewhat.


This is why I can't wait for Sony to use 3D gaming with Nintendo and Microsoft having to follow them. Then they can act like 5 year olds and whine about them copying.

Lol except 3D gaming was done ages ago too, sorry...

This is true but people are saying the whole point is who makes it a huge requirement on the consoles and if that happens it will be Sony.



Twistedpixel on 11 March 2010
MikeB said:
@ famousringo

Sadly marketing and commercial success play an enormous part in the perception of people. For example many people think Microsoft wrote (the technically horrible) MSDOS, while in fact the a sole programmer copied source codes of CP/M and Microsoft only bought this from the programmer when the OS was still called Quick and Dirty OS (QDOS) for 25,000 dollars. (lack of insight by IBM managers then made Microsoft into what it is today)

Which makes Bill Gates an epic businessman for turning a $25k purchase into a multi billion dollar fortune.



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mjk45 on 11 March 2010

is the legend true that IBM wanted the guy behind the Amiga's OS for there's but being a aviation nut he was flying his plane when IBM tried to contact him, so they turned to gates and co hearing they had developed an OS but they hadn't so they went and bought one to show IBM,and Gates also said a multi tasking comp was not possible under $10,000 at the time the Amiga was doing just that



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miz1q2w3e on 11 March 2010

Carl2291 said:

We all know how Nintendo are the only ones to innovate, and everything is really copying them.


i agree :)



Hawk on 14 March 2010

::shrug::  People get too sensitive about who came up with what first.  I doubt that when it comes to anything original that's a success in the market, that the company/person who was behind it was the VERY first person/company to have that idea.  As one of my instructors said pertaining to games, "Sure, we've all got great game ideas, but a publisher will not hire you for simply having a great game idea.  You have to have the ability and the skill to bring that idea into realization."  Nintendo was the one to do that.

But, at the same time, just as Nintendo might have been inspired by other previously done ideas, Microsoft and Sony have the right to be inspired by what Nintendo successfully brought to the market and expand on that idea with their own ideas and skills.



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