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sailordude said:
ToastyJaguar, how is all those things you listen original? the ps3 has all of those. do you think the ps3 started its development when the 360 came out?! i would bet money on saying that sony started developement on there console before microsoft. even if they didnt thats embarrassing, sony would have had less time to make the console yet the failure rate is super low. lets face it, microsoft cant make shit for hardware. haha i love it when people say sony isnt inovative when look at all of the media features the ps3 has.

So you think that Microsoft spied on Sony's development, and then stole their plans and put out a console first? Seriously, how on earth could Microsoft copy the PS3 for the Xbox 360? And how are adding media features that were present on the last generation of hardware innovative? At best they jacked them from the 360. Check the fanboyism at the door please.

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ookaze said:

Another example, is someone was saying that Halo was intended for the PC! WRONG! Halo was a Mac product before MS bought them so that they wouldn't make the game for Mac.


Except for the fact that is was going to be simultaneously on both the Mac and PC and this was announced by Jobs himself at a Macworld Conference.  Bungie had released plenty of games for the PC.  Such an uninformed opinion that could be checked if you took a few minutes to find out what the heck you were talking about.



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Gnizmo, i think you need to reread my post. i never said that sony copyed anything from the 360 or stole ideas. someone above said that having a hard drive and music on a gaming system is original. how the hell is that an original idea? and please tell me what console could in the past could save music, pictures and movies to the hard drive, also WIRELESSLY stream music, movies, and pictures from any computer in the house. i can go on all day here, who had a (shit whats the name of those... little camera memery chip slot), plug flash drives in and use them, use an internet browser? was there a console before ps3 that could be used as a media center because if there was i was missing out! i dont know to much about what the 360 can do in this dapartment, can it even do all of that? oh not to mention bluray.

another question for this thread, which company started development on there next gen consoles first? microsoft or sony?

my opinion, of course sony did. i bet since the start of bluray they wanted to incorporate it into their next generation console. they helped to develop a new processor and ram to go along with this. in the end it shows they put alot more time into it then slapping together some top notch(2005?!) hardware in the PC world and mass producing it. can anyone see what im saying here?



Gnizmo, i read your post on the top of this page. sony is forcing bluray onto there customers! can you honestly tell me that you would rather want a DVD player in your 360 than a bluray player? im not even talking movies here. you would NOT want 50 gigs, maybe in the future alot more, of space for your games?! maybe if microsoft had "forced" there customers to have HDDVD- HDDVD would be a success and youd be playing Metal Gear Solid! oh ya, they made the wrong choice.



As an Xbox fan boy, this is a really good and organized statement, but Microsoft is, like Sony and any other console before has done, is adapt to what has caused gaming to be great. Sony did this for Playstation with the analog stick, Gamecube added the optical discs, and so this is just a normal thing that developers do.



 

Dont get me wrong , but XBOX LIVE is Microsofts original protact. Sony is copying them!!



sailordude said:
Gnizmo, i think you need to reread my post. i never said that sony copyed anything from the 360 or stole ideas. someone above said that having a hard drive and music on a gaming system is original. how the hell is that an original idea? and please tell me what console could in the past could save music, pictures and movies to the hard drive, also WIRELESSLY stream music, movies, and pictures from any computer in the house. i can go on all day here, who had a (shit whats the name of those... little camera memery chip slot), plug flash drives in and use them, use an internet browser? was there a console before ps3 that could be used as a media center because if there was i was missing out! i dont know to much about what the 360 can do in this dapartment, can it even do all of that? oh not to mention bluray.

another question for this thread, which company started development on there next gen consoles first? microsoft or sony?

my opinion, of course sony did. i bet since the start of bluray they wanted to incorporate it into their next generation console. they helped to develop a new processor and ram to go along with this. in the end it shows they put alot more time into it then slapping together some top notch(2005?!) hardware in the PC world and mass producing it. can anyone see what im saying here?

You want to know how music and movies being saved to a harddrive is original, and then ask what other consoles can do it? Do you read what you type or just throw out words that sound pretty? And regardless of whether or not Sony started first Microsoft was still the first to put it into consoles. Or are you saying the PS3 has been in development since before the Xbox was released? I am not saying the PS3 does nothing original, and I am not saying it copied from anyone. I am saying you are proclaiming contradictory ideas in a single post. You have kept doing it to.

Gnizmo, i read your post on the top of this page. sony is forcing bluray onto there customers! can you honestly tell me that you would rather want a DVD player in your 360 than a bluray player? im not even talking movies here. you would NOT want 50 gigs, maybe in the future alot more, of space for your games?! maybe if microsoft had "forced" there customers to have HDDVD- HDDVD would be a success and youd be playing Metal Gear Solid! oh ya, they made the wrong choice.

I honestly couldn't care less if an Xbox 360 has a blu-ray drive or a DVD drive. Either way I don't own one and it would be of no benefit to me. Even if I did own one, I wouldn't care so long as the price was the same. From what I have seen all this extra space is being used for nothing but pretty graphics and better sound. I really could not care less about pretty graphics, and don't even notice the difference in sound between 5.1 surrond and mono. I just don't pay much attention to it. Gamelength hasn't noticeably increased with any of the other large jumps in space. I don't see why it would start now.

Oh and HD-DVD was dead from the start. A simple rundown of the people backing it would have told you which format would win. Still, if it had won, and if Metal Gear Solid 4 was put on it I still wouldn't play the game. If you gave me a PS3 with MGS4 as a gift, I would not play the game. I have never liked the series. I find the gameplay boring, and the storyline dull. Others may disagree, but thats the way opinions typically work.

 With all that said, that still does not address what I was saying in my original post. I was pointing out the fact that Microsoft has never been two faced about blu-ray. It is not wrong to critisize forcing someone to choose a feature you offer as an option. It is just another way of doing buisiness.



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jkimball said:
An obscene excess of cash has allowed Microsoft to wreak havoc in an otherwise well balanced oligopy. By creating artificial competition within the group (HD vs HD) where a free market would not have had competition, the quality ("earnings") of each party is negatively affected.

IN other words, from an economics point of view, I pretty much agree with OP.

Not only did they lost 4B of their own money, the are also somewhat responsible (in the macroecononomic model) for much of Sony's loss. And they will continue to be responsible for HD games being released that don't take full advantage of either platform.

Imagine if one day Microsoft decided to start making automobiles. They would be poorly made, subject to stalling, parts falling off etc. But the they would only be $1000USD brand new. People would put up with the crappy quality for such a cheap price. Microsoft would lose billions and billions attempting to build market share. And next years model would also lose billions but have a higher market share so be considered a 'success'). But what happened to the rest of the automobile industry...ford, opel, holden, peugout etc ALL lose billions as well. Quality goes down across the board, accessories makers switch to the MSFT brand, etc...

LOL! You're perhaps saying that MS is for SW and consoles what China is for industry and labour market?  

I see a difference, indeed: Chinese goods and workforce are cheap, almost to dumping levels, while MS stuff is generally overpriced.   ... Just to give my contribution to flames...



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Sumup of a lot of the above:

Retarded fanboyism of the worst kind. It doesn't even make me laugh, its so pathetic.

Sumary of current gen - Microsoft and Sony try to stick it up each others butt, lose billions each in the process.

Nintendo stays hetero and makes billions.

Sony fans feel upset that their fave company loses billions, and didnt rape Nintendo, talk smack about the Xbox360 here.

The end.



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How the fuck has this topic gone this long without being locked? Seriously this is beyond sad. This is nothing more than a fanboy ranting about how the 360 suxxorz and the PS3 and Wii roxxorz.



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