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Neodegenerate said:
Random_Matt said:
By the way, this is at least $499 already, probably more.

That's my one worry.  That they are gonna have a high price point like they did with PS3 after the success of PS2.

Probably it will not exceed USD 499. I believe they will subsidized the price (thanks to the money they make on PS4). Also they will make more money on PS plus and can cover with that.   



Random_Matt said:
Neodegenerate said:

That's my one worry.  That they are gonna have a high price point like they did with PS3 after the success of PS2.

Well, I do not buy consoles at launch anyway. But I promise you and anyone else, this will at the very least have the X1X launch price. I expect Sony will take some losses with the HW, that CPU alone is going to be pricey, it is expected to be a Ryzen 3000 class CPU.

I am fine so long as it stays under the 600 range.  Once we get above that it becomes a bit much.



CGI-Quality said:
Random_Matt said:
By the way, this is at least $499 already, probably more.

Nah. $499 is the likely (and logical) ceiling, but we don't have any numbers yet. Can't truly call it without clock speeds and RAM amount.

Considering the balancing of the system and that the "sensible" configuration you were talking in other threads being over 399 cost I would say this one probaly cost 599 but will be sold at 449 at launch.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Neodegenerate said:
Random_Matt said:
By the way, this is at least $499 already, probably more.

That's my one worry.  That they are gonna have a high price point like they did with PS3 after the success of PS2.

but its not the same market situation as it was during the PS3 era, made worse due to recession, Now a days people are willing to spend premium on useless gadget. buying $1000 phones every year, not to mention Xbox X showed people now will pay a premium if it delivers on power. 

I think 500 will be the sweet spot for a tech that will stay relevant for 3 years atleast. 



DonFerrari said:
CGI-Quality said:

Nah. $499 is the likely (and logical) ceiling, but we don't have any numbers yet. Can't truly call it without clock speeds and RAM amount.

Considering the balancing of the system and that the "sensible" configuration you were talking in other threads being over 399 cost I would say this one probaly cost 599 but will be sold at 449 at launch.

449 sounds more like a sterling price.



taus90 said:
Neodegenerate said:

That's my one worry.  That they are gonna have a high price point like they did with PS3 after the success of PS2.

but its not the same market situation as it was during the PS3 era, made worse due to recession, Now a days people are willing to spend premium on useless gadget. buying $1000 phones every year, not to mention Xbox X showed people now will pay a premium if it delivers on power. 

I think 500 will be the sweet spot for a tech that will stay relevant for 3 years atleast. 

I am cool with 500



taus90 said:
COKTOE said:
I wonder if Sony will bother with a new controller? I skimmed the article and didn't see any info ( might have missed it though ). I'm mostly happy with the DS4. The overall design and ergonomics are lovely. But I have had issues with durability.

bigger battery and Haptic feed back is a must

You know, I've had 3 active DS4's ( about to open a 4th as one had developed severe drift ), and although I have noticed some variance, I've never been anything less than totally satisfied with how long the charge lasts. I do have rumble turned off, which certainly helps, getting 10-12 hours out of my favorite red DS4. Agreed though. A bigger battery would be welcome.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

I mean this was obvious ages ago. The BC thing from this gen to next was always going to be that the PS4 and PS5 ( same with Xbox One and Xbox Circle... get it?) will be built like PCs, just upgraded ones. It'll be about improving what we already have.

What I think they will do, and the generational change this is, is that there will be 2 types of console, a digital only no disk drive one and a full blu-ray as normal. The former being cheaper because it has less parts but has a bigger HD in it. This is the natural progression of the industry.

I expect it 2020, 7 years after the last which was 7 years after the last, which was 7 years after....



Hmm, pie.

Random_Matt said:
By the way, this is at least $499 already, probably more.

I think they aiming 499. Going above is a suicide.  With the psn and ps4 money (the PSN is making as much as whole Nintendo yearly) they can take a hit in the first year and subsidies the cost. I think its all in next generation as it may be the last generation (streaming taking over), and the one who wins take the most of the market.

The specs are important but what is really imprtant they left for the real annoucments:

-the controller

-vr

-portable strategy

-streaming and all the services



Neodegenerate said:

Article out today on the hardware of the PS5. 

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

The specific line on BC:

Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console. 

Also confirmed it will not be out in 2019, so all but assured for 2020.  The hardware itself appears to be much more beefy than I anticipated it would be.  Now has me wondering if we are going to run into another PS3 pricing situation with Sony next gen.

The hardware bits:

The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. 

The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio that Cerny thinks will redefine what sound can do in a videogame.

On VR:

“I won't go into the details of our VR strategy today,” he says, “beyond saying that VR is very important to us and that the current PSVR headset is compatible with the new console.”

And an SSD that, for Spider-Man at least, improved loading by 18x.

It was obvious ages ago, that the PS5 would use AMD again. Only AMD can bring a complete package these days powerful enough for a console (ARM, Samsung and Qualcomm could only for a handheld right now).

However, that does not automatically mean there will be backwards compatibility. It just means that technically, there won't be any problems to it like there were with the Cell. But it doesn't necessary mean that Sony will actually implement it. Keep in mind that they said in the past that BC was an often asked, but rarely used feature, so not sure if they really will implement it.

Don't expect an SSD for the PS5, that won't happen. HDD are still much cheaper per Gigabyte, so they will certainly use those to stay in budget. For comparison, a 2Tbyte HDD costs about 60$, a 2Tbyte SSD however around 250$ for the cheapest ones. That's still way too much for them to consider using SSD right now. Maybe in a couple years, but 2020 would still be too soon for an SSD to be worthwhile for them.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 16 April 2019