I believe in God but not organized religion.

Esmoreit said: damkira said: Tyrannical said: I wish they could someday cure it. That would be the easiest solution. Homosexuality is not a disease.. the easiest solution would be for everyone to accept that its normal.   I doubt that Tyrannical really believes the disease thing now... this is just trolling.

How can you say it isn't a disease when we do not know what causes it?

Tyrannical said: Esmoreit said: damkira said: Tyrannical said: I wish they could someday cure it. That would be the easiest solution. Homosexuality is not a disease.. the easiest solution would be for everyone to accept that its normal.   I doubt that Tyrannical really believes the disease thing now... this is just trolling.   How can you say it isn't a disease when we do not know what causes it?

Homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality (or animal sexuality, for that matter.) You might as well be calling left-handedness a disease. The American Psychiatric Society disclassified homosexuality as a disease in 1973... Come on, Tyrannical.. We're 10 years into the 21st century. The kind of backward thinking you're displaying in this thread really isn't benecifial to anyone.

 

Tyrannical said: I wish they could someday cure it. That would be the easiest solution.

Unfortunately there is no cure for Catholicism.

damkira said: Tyrannical said: Esmoreit said: damkira said: Tyrannical said: I wish they could someday cure it. That would be the easiest solution. Homosexuality is not a disease.. the easiest solution would be for everyone to accept that its normal.   I doubt that Tyrannical really believes the disease thing now... this is just trolling.   How can you say it isn't a disease when we do not know what causes it? Homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality (or animal sexuality, for that matter.) You might as well be calling left-handedness a disease.

Or zoophilia, or OCD, or claustrophobia, Asperger syndrome. 

The thing with psychological diseases is, that they are quite subjective. You can't just measure brain activity, or something like that, and declare that "you have a psychological illness",  or "yours is just a variation of normal behavior". What one would call a disease, others would call an unique personality trait. 

The golden rule is, that as long as something is considered weird and abnormal by normal people, it is an illness. 

Currently, homosexuality's acceptance is heavily debated, (it is supported by a slight majority in the USA, and a minority worldwide), but bringing up the American Psychiatric Society's classification is kinda like bringing up metascores to prove a game's quality.

 It is a well-educated representation of a popular opinion, but hardly an objective and undeniable truth. 

 

tombi123 said: Tyrannical said: I wish they could someday cure it. That would be the easiest solution. Unfortunately there is no cure for Catholicism.

There is hope! Going by the light Catholicism is putting itself in, it's a matter of time before enough people consider it weird and abnormal, and we can call it an illness. AND we know what's causing it.

Alterego-X said: damkira said: Tyrannical said: Esmoreit said: damkira said: Tyrannical said: I wish they could someday cure it. That would be the easiest solution. Homosexuality is not a disease.. the easiest solution would be for everyone to accept that its normal.   I doubt that Tyrannical really believes the disease thing now... this is just trolling.   How can you say it isn't a disease when we do not know what causes it? Homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality (or animal sexuality, for that matter.) You might as well be calling left-handedness a disease.  Or zoophilia, or OCD, or claustrophobia, Asperger syndrome.  The thing with psychological diseases is, that they are quite subjective. You can't just measure brain activity, or something like that, and declare that "you have a psychological illness",  or "yours is just a variation of normal behavior". What one would call a disease, others would call an unique personality trait.  The golden rule is, that as long as something is considered weird and abnormal by normal people, it is an illness.  Currently, homosexuality's acceptance is heavily debated, (it is supported by a slight majority in the USA, and a minority worldwide), but bringing up the American Psychiatric Society's classification is kinda like bringing up metascores to prove a game's quality.  It is a well-educated representation of a popular opinion, but hardly an objective and undeniable truth.

All psychological diseases are based on a GAF (or Global assessment of Functioning) scale. This 0-100 scale is an indication of how well a person would function in the outside world with others. In perspective:

91–100 Superior functioning in a wide range of activities, life's problems never seem to get out of hand, is sought out by others because of his or her many qualities. No symptoms. (In our terms, the person here is cured!)51–60 Moderate symptoms OR any moderate difficulty in social, occupational, or school functioning.  (This is generally the scale most depressed patients have when coming in for psychiatric evaluation. Mind you, depressed patients cannot function in school, are too tired and don't find a point in being with other people.)

1–10: 
 Persistent danger of severely hurting self or others OR persistent inability to maintain minimum personal hygiene OR serious suicidal act with clear expectation of death.

Clearly, homosexuals can function extremely well in everyday society so in a psychological sense it is certainly not a disease.

You misspelled "Pope Condoms" in the thread title.

tombi123 said: Tyrannical said: I wish they could someday cure it. That would be the easiest solution. Unfortunately there is no cure for Catholicism.

You took something highly offensive, and responded too it with something equally abhorrent and offensive.

Not to mention abhorrent and offensive to a much larger group.

Well done. 

Its abhorrent and offensive to say that someone should cure catholicism?

I agree. But the resentment one and afrontment with the above remark makes one feel similar to many homosexual people who are denied the right to marry or suffer from derogative attitudes towards their sexuality.

If you don't like it, they surely don't aswell. Maybe people who are afronted by attacks on religion and churches should have a bit of empathy (and vice verca of course) and realise that both sides are hurt by each others remarks.

The simple solution is to live and let live.