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The PS3, in Japan, is $510 if I recall correctly, and if you can find it, $420 for the 20gb unit. The Wii, without wii sports, is $215 or so. Wii releases April Super Paper Mario One Piece : Unlimited Adventure (It's looking to be a great game, I'm hoping it does well) Big Brain Academy Dog Island Furu Furu Park May Detective Conan (this series just refuses to die over there) Jissen Pachi-Slot Pachinko Hisshouhou! Marvel : Ultimate Alliance Pirates of the Carribean - At The World's End June Hajime No Ippo Revolution PS3 releases April Pro Yakyuu Spirits 4 May Marvel : Ultimate Alliance NBA Street : Homecourt June Call of Duty 3 Oh, and I don't see Mario Part 8 (wii) in the release list either, maybe July in Japan? (considering it's at the end of May for North America, I don't know)



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vanguardian1 said: The PS3, in Japan, is $510 if I recall correctly, and if you can find it, $420 for the 20gb unit. The Wii, without wii sports, is $215 or so. Wii releases April Super Paper Mario One Piece : Unlimited Adventure (It's looking to be a great game, I'm hoping it does well) Big Brain Academy Dog Island Furu Furu Park May Detective Conan (this series just refuses to die over there) Jissen Pachi-Slot Pachinko Hisshouhou! Marvel : Ultimate Alliance Pirates of the Carribean - At The World's End June Hajime No Ippo Revolution PS3 releases April Pro Yakyuu Spirits 4 May Marvel : Ultimate Alliance NBA Street : Homecourt June Call of Duty 3 Oh, and I don't see Mario Part 8 (wii) in the release list either, maybe July in Japan? (considering it's at the end of May for North America, I don't know)
Hajime No Ippo Revolution makes me want a Punch-Out! game for the Wii



A price drop would move more units than any game, regardless of what that game is. Anyway, if a miracle happens and Wii's still selling where it is in a year and PS3's still selling where it is in a year, that may be the point where it's too late. Not too late for #1 but too late for it to have a monopoly.



Hus said: superchunk said: Basically, the PS3 will never catch Wii in Japan UNLESS it has a phenomenal 2008 in released Japanese oriented games. I don't see that happening as the DS and Wii are dominating Japan and any dev would be stupid to ignore that. and is any dev stupid enouth to ignora the FACT that PSP has more 3rd party 1Million sellers then DS ? that 3rd party Wii games are struggling to out sell PS3 games ?
Raw numbers don't matter as much as profit. A game that sells, say, 300,000 copies can be more profitable than a game that sells, say, a million copies, depending on the development costs of each. And it's to Sony's disadvantage that development costs happen to be much higher on PSP and PS3 than DS and Wii.



CrazzyMan said: Bonafide732 said: i think its already at the point of no return... the price and lack of software is killing it in japan right now... even though its outselling the 360 4 to 1 the wii is outselling ps3 3 to 1... they need some.. not just 1 but 2 or more killer apps or they are never gonna catch up...can you name any console, that cost more then 500-600$ and outsells ps3 ???
Probably not, but given the PS3's sales that's not the key point. The real question Sony should have asked themselves 3 years ago is has a $500-600 system ever done well in a console race much less actually won? The answer to that is no. It's even worse for Sony since their heavy reliance on 3rd party means they need to be first or close to first to get the games that sell on their system to make a profit on selling their systems for a loss. But like Nintendo circa 1994 Sony got arrogant and started thinking they were the video game industry.



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albionus said: Probably not, but given the PS3's sales that's not the key point. The real question Sony should have asked themselves 3 years ago is has a $500-600 system ever done well in a console race much less actually won? The answer to that is no. It's even worse for Sony since their heavy reliance on 3rd party means they need to be first or close to first to get the games that sell on their system to make a profit on selling their systems for a loss. But like Nintendo circa 1994 Sony got arrogant and started thinking they were the video game industry.
heavy reliance on 3rd party... what are you smoking ? Sony dev capability is twice that of Nin/MS put together. Harrison said around 130 games in development by Sony themselfs. Sony only made the best racing and action games.. EVER.



hey, Erik.... I love my wii. The wii controller is not the life-altering new gameplay mechanic (yet) that I was being told it was. About the PS3's performance,, I thought the 6 million goal by sony was consoles shipped not sold. and performance in your definition seems to be different from theirs. Sony has always said (even as the cell development was announced) that the PS3 was to be a powerhouse and that the PS3's active life should double. Before the price was announced I was calling it between 500 and 650 (before the 2 sku was known). Like a broken machine it was repeated that the PS3 was going to be expensive. I woud imagine sony would have enough wits about them to be relative... so if it was cheaper than the 360 they would have said so. I think Sony has a plan and the systems performance should fit into the companies plans (their the ones who have to support it) instead of a numbers race between bickering console afficionados. I am not worried about finding a game that sparks my interest with the Wii. Nintendo has never let me down, I am just disheartened because I fell into the hype trap and Zelda isn't as good as I expected. Fun but not on the level I had imposed upon it. No ones fault but my own though.



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So Sony is now becoming Nintendo and pushing the console with their own games instead of 3rd parties now, eh? :)



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vanguardian1 said: So Sony is now becoming Nintendo and pushing the console with their own games instead of 3rd parties now, eh? :)
best 3rd and 1st party games. best of both worlds!



Hus said: jstam said: Didn't the last two playstations sell better? sorry no. not even 5 months after release, PS3 is hitting 3 million. neither predecessor did that so fast.
The PS2 was over 4 million by now you idiot! You guys do know the DQ9 hasn't been released yet? And as for the idiot who said FF would be ported or sold away.. LMFAO! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasy13/index.html?q=final%20fantasy%2013 FFXIII is a PS3 Exclusive! It will be out this year. But as for the wii, this wouldn't be the first system to start off hot and then cool off and die! Dreamcast anyone? I am praying to all gods in all religions this happens! I hate the Wii! As for Japan.. LMFAO! Who cares about them? They don't dictate the market anymore, the saturn outsold the n64 there..who won? the GC outsold the xbox there...who won? Time will tell if the Wii is a fad, america is the most important and largest market, so wait until the March numbers, If they drop compared to last month, fad and it's slowing. If it goes up....thats sad. PS3 numbers need to be paid attention to also, if they go up over last month, and they will, the PS3 is fine.



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