well the dip in profitibility in 2005 is probably because of the PSP, honestly the PS2 was probably making over 500 million a year in 2006 and 2007. I would be shocked if PS3 doesn't account for 6 billion in losses, i wouldn't be surprised by a number up to 7.

aleusian tell me a game with a narrative similar to ODST than tell me whether it's original or overpriced =P

Strange, i really forgot about the PSP O.O.

Retake: the PSP launch and PS3 R&D were lowering profits for Sony in the 2004-2006 timeframe.

lol

anyway, I understand what aleusian is saying Jesus. Now, nobody can prove who paid for what, or to what extent bribery occurs. Everyone could be doing it constantly for all we know. I think the more interesting phenomenon is that MS drilled this distrust into him and many others out there. It's possible MS could have paid for the reviews, or altered the experience psychologically or tangibly.

Additionally,

I don't think anyone will ever find out why ff13 was made multiplat. It pushed the title back more than a couple years (also with the switch to ps3 from ps2) and the whole deal with SE is very shady. Exclusive to ps3 in Japan only??? WHat's going on with them? It's all pretty shady, but it could be due to SE being worried about the small ps3 install base on top of wasted spending on development. I think it's a combination of both.

Anyway alues, you ARE in the wrong. You really don't have any reliable proof for it, but it's not like proof would leak out if it existed. What we know is that payolla does occur in many cases, but not all. You shouldn't make accusations like that here. We are mainly a facts site, so we put proof on a pedestal. If you want to make a statement like that, you should tone it down a bit and say something more like, "I don't trust MS and the scores they get", because that's understandable. I used to say things the way you do when I first got here because I came from Kotaku and 4chan, where flaming runs wild. You'll settle in in a little while.

PS: I also had a griffith avatar for a long time :P

You really haven't killed a single one of my points but I commend your effort. You're really just showing me how pro 360 you really are with your complaint about the God of War collection, I don't even like God of War but anybody who has played it or owns it sure doesn't seem disappointed or upset like they do with ODST.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80FQvAkkXmI here is an example of what I am talking about, and this guy used to be a Halo fan.

Well this thread is a mess. Given how heated things have gotten, and given that the article is full of inaccuracies (the ps3 outsold the Wii? lol), I'm just going to lock it.

To all those that end up banned in the next few minutes, my apologies.

Getting back to the original topic:

I still believe that Sony gaming division couldn't have made a 1 billion dollar profit if Nintendo didn't. And Ninty only made some 900-something $ according to their financial press release.

^^^

I wasnt ripping on the GOW collection but your own hypocrisy......its in the same vein as ODST where its just repackaging an old game (but in ODST'S case it added a new campaign and new mode) , with that being said you should also believe that the GOW:Collection was "bribed"....ironic isnt it?

If user-made youtube videos are the best you have then ive more than made up my point........and you can keep calling me pro-360 in fact I am pro-360 but even if I was the worst sony/nintendo fanboy I would still tell you your wrong........all youve done was just use some half-baked opinion and try to pass it on as fact.

Sure, you got me. However, I just want you to understand that I am looking at the broad extent of profits rather than just one division. Your point is valid but so is mine, and if I were tracking a lemonade stand's profits I wouldn't just look at the number of cups sold, but also the tips profit, and the profit from donations to whatever the lemonade stand was supposed to be serving, you know?

However, in this scenario, yes, they only have about 265m left. Which would also mean it ate up all the profits from the PSP as well. Just to be clear, those documents include R&D and additional costs, but do not cover additional profits or acquisitions. For example, Sony IIRC owns a number of manufacturing plants and patents stemming from playstation profits, but the SCE reports we are looking at do not include them as worth, even though they were paid for out of SCE operating costs.