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You can export all your labor to countries that pay less but what does that do in return? The less you pay someone to work the less the quality is.... Easy example: China...



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Outsourcing factory jobs to China is good in the short-term and significantly improves multinational companies bottom lines and profit margins. But in the long-term the loss of factory jobs results in higher unemployment in developed countries, local factories close down and consumers in developed countries may stop spending. Outsourcing lots of jobs ends up hurting a lot of people.

Cheap factories results in lower quality goods. The Chinese factory workers are exploited and paid extremely low wages around $2 a day. China also has a high rate of child labourers.



numonex said:
Outsourcing factory jobs to China is good in the short-term and significantly improves multinational companies bottom lines and profit margins. But in the long-term the loss of factory jobs results in higher unemployment in developed countries, local factories close down and consumers in developed countries may stop spending. Outsourcing lots of jobs ends up hurting a lot of people.

Cheap factories results in lower quality goods. The Chinese factory workers are exploited and paid extremely low wages around $2 a day. China also has a high rate of child labourers.

I'm going to blow your mind here.

Child Labor is a GOOD thing.

In countries that ban child labor in the developing world... there is a distruning trend.  Child deaths increase.  Why?  Orphans can't work to feed themselves.

Some families are fronted by 10-14 year olds.



SaviorX said:
I don't know how you guys can get angry at the President, I mean he is trying something. No one really knows if it will work, and how much progress he will make, but at least he is taking a course of action. No one person (he doesn't work alone) decides how to fix an entire continents economy.

I don't see why we bother criticizing him; if we could do better we'd be the ones telling him how to fix it.
At least now we have cushioned the recessive blow.

It's easy to criticize when you don't have ideas of your own. Case in point:

 

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I am the Playstation Avenger.

   

Kasz216 said:
numonex said:
Outsourcing factory jobs to China is good in the short-term and significantly improves multinational companies bottom lines and profit margins. But in the long-term the loss of factory jobs results in higher unemployment in developed countries, local factories close down and consumers in developed countries may stop spending. Outsourcing lots of jobs ends up hurting a lot of people.

Cheap factories results in lower quality goods. The Chinese factory workers are exploited and paid extremely low wages around $2 a day. China also has a high rate of child labourers.

I'm going to blow your mind here.

Child Labor is a GOOD thing.

In countries that ban child labor in the developing world... there is a distruning trend.  Child deaths increase.  Why?  Orphans can't work to feed themselves.

Some families are fronted by 10-14 year olds.

 

Another little fun fact. When child labor laws when into effect, it had nothing to do with protecting children. They went into effect because they could be paid less, and it made it harder for adults to find work.
They went into effect to protect adults from children, not the other way around.

Another little fun fact. When child labor laws when into effect, it had nothing to do with protecting children. They went into effect because they could be paid less, and it made it harder for adults to find work.

They went into effect to protect adults from children, not the other way around.

 



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Kasz216 said:
numonex said:
Outsourcing factory jobs to China is good in the short-term and significantly improves multinational companies bottom lines and profit margins. But in the long-term the loss of factory jobs results in higher unemployment in developed countries, local factories close down and consumers in developed countries may stop spending. Outsourcing lots of jobs ends up hurting a lot of people.

Cheap factories results in lower quality goods. The Chinese factory workers are exploited and paid extremely low wages around $2 a day. China also has a high rate of child labourers.

I'm going to blow your mind here.

Child Labor is a GOOD thing.

In countries that ban child labor in the developing world... there is a distruning trend.  Child deaths increase.  Why?  Orphans can't work to feed themselves.

Some families are fronted by 10-14 year olds.

And I'll blow your mind.  Any work these 10-14 year olds are doing is probably shit.  They probably couldn't make a reliable product if their life depended upon it.  Imagine a 10 year old putting together a lcd screen....  I work at a place that repairs lcd panels.  Granted most panels are messed up by the users but guess where most of all these lcd panels were made... China.. Face it child labor and third world countries can't produce a very reliable product.  I feel sorry for anyone who every buys a car made from China....  (I own a 05 Honda Civic EX Special Edition, I'd like to see China produce something of Honda quality, oh wait they can't, the only thing they can produce is shit products and pollution...)



sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
numonex said:
Outsourcing factory jobs to China is good in the short-term and significantly improves multinational companies bottom lines and profit margins. But in the long-term the loss of factory jobs results in higher unemployment in developed countries, local factories close down and consumers in developed countries may stop spending. Outsourcing lots of jobs ends up hurting a lot of people.

Cheap factories results in lower quality goods. The Chinese factory workers are exploited and paid extremely low wages around $2 a day. China also has a high rate of child labourers.

I'm going to blow your mind here.

Child Labor is a GOOD thing.

In countries that ban child labor in the developing world... there is a distruning trend.  Child deaths increase.  Why?  Orphans can't work to feed themselves.

Some families are fronted by 10-14 year olds.

And I'll blow your mind.  Any work these 10-14 year olds are doing is probably shit.  They probably couldn't make a reliable product if their life depended upon it.  Imagine a 10 year old putting together a lcd screen....  I work at a place that repairs lcd panels.  Granted most panels are messed up by the users but guess where most of all these lcd panels were made... China.. Face it child labor and third world countries can't produce a very reliable product.  I feel sorry for anyone who every buys a car made from China....  (I own a 05 Honda Civic EX Special Edition, I'd like to see China produce something of Honda quality, oh wait they can't, the only thing they can produce is shit products and pollution...)

Sorry, but that's not true. Your taking what the Chinese do, and then saying this is how a 13 year old would produce a product.

Aside from experience, and work ethic, I can not see any reason why a 13 year old would be worse at a production line job then anyone else. In fact, at something like adapting to ever changing work (like electronics assembly), I could see the reflexes, motor skills, and ability to absorb knowledge of a 13 year old far more appealing to that of a 40 year old. (I am 40 btw).



^They don't have the brain power to deduce something. Sure there are some very bright kids but in third world country with crap education they are probably even more dumb.  I know a few smart kids but most kids I know are stupid. If the job required them to think of ways to solve problems they would take far longer than an adult. Have a 10-14 year old and an adult build a car that are both well trained. I bet the car that the kids produce will have far more defects and mistakes. It would take the kid 2-3 years to finally do the job right probably when an adult would learn how to do it right in a few months at most.



sethnintendo said:

^They don't have the brain power to deduce something. Sure there are some very bright kids but in third world country with crap education they are probably even more dumb.  I know a few smart kids but most kids I know are stupid. If the job required them to think of ways to solve problems they would take far longer than an adult. Have a 10-14 year old and an adult build a car that are both well trained. I bet the car that the kids produce will have far more defects and mistakes. It would take the kid 2-3 years to finally do the job right probably when an adult would learn how to do it right in a few months at most.

I picked 13 for a reason.

The smartest you ever were, was 13. That's the age when humans have the maximum capacity to learn. As you grow older, you gain a lot more information, thus allowing you to be better at something that requires knowledge (like a doctor).

But if you took you, and the 13 year old version of you, and told both of you to learn something neither of you had prior knowledge of, or any life experience that helps in your task (like learning how to play "Go" if you have never learned it), the 13 year old version of you would kick your ass.

He is a lot smarter then you (everyones 13 year old self was). If you really think 13 year olds are dumb, they are going to be even dumber 30 year olds.



sethnintendo said:

^They don't have the brain power to deduce something. Sure there are some very bright kids but in third world country with crap education they are probably even more dumb.  I know a few smart kids but most kids I know are stupid. If the job required them to think of ways to solve problems they would take far longer than an adult. Have a 10-14 year old and an adult build a car that are both well trained. I bet the car that the kids produce will have far more defects and mistakes. It would take the kid 2-3 years to finally do the job right probably when an adult would learn how to do it right in a few months at most.

We live in an odd society where adolescence has been extended far beyond its physical/biological meaning, and beyond what it is in other cultures, and we expect people around the world to operate on a similar level at a similar age. Even within our society children as young as 7 or 8 can operate at a very high level of maturity if they’re forced to; and this is often the case if the child is forced to take care of their parents or other children as is often the case where a parent is ill or has an addiction.

Or to put it another way, I think you’d be surprised that the limitations you associate with age are more often associated with culture. Now, this isn’t to say that child labour is desirable, but in a culture where it is difficult for individuals to obtain the necessities of living it is an entirely reasonable alternative.