Yep and if they can afford a pc to play advanced 3D games they can afford to pay for the games. But you can't pirate hardware, which is why they can 'afford' the PC but not the games.

Maybe instead of formulating a seriously insolting and completely off-topic post you should have read mine more carefully. And i really don't need any life lessons from anyone, especially someone who doesn't personally know me. Because if you did i can assure you the last thing you would do is trying to show me how fortunate i am to have the oppertunities that i have. And if you like insulting people you don't know, please save it for youtube...

And as mentioned above, if they couldn't afford buying games they probably also cannot afford a PC capable op playing the latest games.

Back on-topic: I never implied that people who downloaded something would have bought it if they couldn't pirate it. I never even mentioned any connection of that sort. What i said was that people who own a ps3/x360 or maybe even both(witch obviously doesn't fall in the category of poverty), might download a version of a game for the PC instead of buying it for a console. Therefore damaging totat sales. And since PC numbers usually aren't near those of console versions, i think there is a real possibility that the number of people acting out the first scenario(pirating on pc) outweigh the number of actual PC copies sold.

That's not actually necessarily true, Twisted. There are a lot of ways to get PCs for very cheap, sometimes even free, that wouldn't necessarily apply to software. Like AW86, you've clearly led a life of relative privilege, and it's simply unfair of you to judge others by your standard of living. I, for one, have only bought one computer in my entire life yet I've had at least a dozen. Why is it, then, that my having a PC necessarily means that I can afford software?

I'll say this again - just because in YOUR life things have worked out a given way does not mean that your life is an appropriate model for the lives of others. Millions of people have computers they didn't pay for, actually, and your assumption that everyone who has one pays for one is laughably narrow-minded.

yea thats a moronic excuse.  if you have a computer that can play these games you can afford a game.  hell there is never and excuse to pirate a game.  they are just cheap crooks, who think digital media is fine to steal. 

some say that they woudlnt' buy the game in the first place anyway, or just like to demo it first before buying to see if good.  Ha.  Can I go to the movie theater and get into a movie for free if I tell them that I didn't really want to see this movie, I just have free time and you have open seats.  I'm not hurting anybody now am I.  Or tell them I want to see the movie first before I decide if I want to buy the movie when it comes out. 

There is no excuse to pirate, not even if the game isn't brought to your country, or whatever reason you feel you have the right to pirate a game.  You can always find a way to buy a legit copy through the internet.  And if you are able to pirate that means you have an internet connection. 

I'd rather have to be online all the time then have Starforce on my computer.

Starforce wrecks disc drives.

Incorrect.  According to current economic theory people WANT to pay for stuff at a fair price.  It's build in to our sociological makeup to WANT to purchase products.

People would rather pay a fair price then pirate.

Blizzard considers clone servers piracy.

It's in the EULA in fact.

You aren't alowed to backwords engineer the servers or run your own servers.

Again, you are ASSUMING that possessing a PC equates to being able to buy such products. That is far more often than you can realize not the case. You need to get past that idea first before you can even put forth a legitimate argument. That aside, it doesn't matter whether or not they could pirate it, it matters whether or not pirating stops them from making a legitimate purchase, and there is essentially no evidence to back that up. There is nothing at all to say even one of those people who pirated the game would have bought it if the pirated copy wasn't available, and economic models show that the people in question wouldn't have.

As it is, theft of physical goods adds less than 1 cent per dollar to the cost at the register, and when a physical product is stolen it is removed from someone's possession. Piracy doesn't do that, and in turn has less impact on the cost of goods. Yet, as with all goods, the cost of non-sales is factored into games before you are allowed to leave the store with them. There's no 1 percent tax for shoplifters and if theft suddenly doubled nation-wide you wouldn't see a 1% increase in costs either, because the cost of all theft is purely intangible. Basically, it is made up for by the very nature of selling goods in bulk, and insisting that piracy has an impact above and beyond industry accepted margins, which is what you're doing, is foolish. If devs were getting killed by piracy we'd see Blizzard having as much trouble as Ubisoft, but they don't because it's not the piracy that is killing these devs - it's sub-par products and massively inflated dev costs.

That aside, if you don't want people to assume things about you or insult you don't lead off with an insulting assumption of your own. Simple as that. As soon as you insult someone else you've got no right to cry about them returning the favor.

I understand that, but i also think most people will feel like ''a thief of their own money'' if they buy a game when most people are getting practically for free by pirating it. So that way they would feel like they are being treated unfairly.

Anyways i hope most off us agree that being able to ban out piracy would be a good thing. And i really don't think Ubisofts approach is such a bad idea

ah BLAMMING your life now huh.  grow up.  There are 100's of games I would have loved to play, but never got to because I can't afford to buy them all.  If I really wanted to play the game, say a new zelda comes out.  I will want to play that 1000%. there will be nothing stopping me from playing it.  I will figure out a way to get money, if I need to get a job at somewhere I woudl ahte like a convenient store or fast food or something.  If I coudlnt' then i would wait and ask for on birthday or christmas, if they didn't get me it I woudl still find a way.   Hell could even go and donate plasma a couple times a week for 40 dolars or something.  there are ways of getting money if you look.   I mean hell how many hours you spend wasting searching forums or posting on here about games.  you could spend that time looking for a way to make money or just working more hours at your current job.

No matter how poor I have gotten adn trust me I have been in negative for months till i got out, that just means I have to wait till i can get that game.  Hell I could even resort to borrowing from a friend or renting for a week from blockbuster or something.  Just because I'm struggling for a while doesn't GIVE ME THE RIGHT to steal. 

You aren't going out stealling food for yourself or family, or sleeping on the street because you can't pay rent or mortgage.  You figured out and cut back expenses in order to pay for those things.  NOw if you want a video game and are low on funds you have to cut back on other things to afford it.  Whether that means not buying a case of beer the next time you were going to or not going out to eat for a while.  That's part of life.  I dont' want to hear no Democratic shit and blame society and expect someone else to do it for you.  If you want something you have to work for it. 

Hell if you look at my games list, I have played a lot of games for current systems and yet I only own a Wii.  I have found a way to play and finish the other games for other systems if I really wanted to play that game.  And why I don't own the other two systems is because I can't afford to.