Haven't finished reading everything, but probably one of the best threads I've read on vgchartz.

And yet it is still one of the best selling games this gen, go figure..

Does Pachter actually know anything about gaming? I say this because his assumptions of "hardcore" gaming appears to be titles like MW2 and its ilk. As far as i see it, although they have their "hardcore" players, i would say for the most part, these type of games are mainstream, maybe, even leaning towards "casual", especially given the advertising blitz they receive. What he should have asked was whether "blockbuster", high budget, high quality 3rd party games could be successful on the Wii, although we may never know the answer to this question as 3rd parties never release those on the Wii. I agree with the earlier post in this thread, saying that the COD's and GTA's of this gen are more mainstream than hardcore.

Regardless the game will probably have sold 10 million when all is said and done, which is so damn good i dont think anyone should care what comes above or below that!

what i don't understnad is this definition of hardcore gaming?  they will basically say a true gamer that will play all the great games and a long time.

but how can you play all the great games if you don't own all the systems?  shouldn't a requirement be for a hardcore game to own all 3 systems.  Or at least the true hardcore gamer.  i mean when you look at a hardcore sports fan they watch a bunch of sports and collect a ton of merchandise, go to a bucnh of games ect.  If this person only watched say The Green Bay Packers and that's it, no matter how hardcore he is about green bay, that doesn't make him a hardcore sports fan.  He is just a hardcore packer fan. 

and in the same sense all these people who only own one system and seen as fanboys are just hardcore sony fans, or hardcore microsft fans, or nintendo.  they are hardcore GAMERS.  if they were they would have all the systems so that they can play any game that they want.  And don't give me shit about no game on a system that you like.  THere is not one single cosole ever that doesn't ahve a game that you wouldn't like on it. 

I've never seen anyone but you use this or "weirdly" before. Or at least, to start a sentence. Hrm, random, I know, but I find it funny...

@txrattlesnake:

You're looking at the wrong scores. Using Metacritic as a measurement for sales is a joke. Instead, people should pay attention to what the actual customers think - you know, the people buying the game? They're the ones that matter, the ones that determine sales.

See Just Dance for the latest example. Its metacritic is under 50, yet it gets outstanding user reviews. The game is showing some crazy legs, especially for a third party title. It's proof that it is worth making a game that people enjoy, whether the game is "casual" or not.

It proves how dumb Patcher is. Why would you ask a game message board how to sell a game. First, most of them won't have any business sense and I doubt most of them are successful at selling videogames. Also, most customers don't vocalize what they want. They will usually say "More for less." Lastly, NeoGAF is a "hardcore" gaming site, meaning the Wii is not their favorite console, so you think they will give a good answer.