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Forums - Sales Discussion - October-December 2009 Earnings Reports are coming this week

TheThunder said:
If you think PS3's Chartz vs Sony gap is big look at the PSP.

We can't, as Sony has never given an accurate shipment ltd.  They insist on keep the old "production shipment" figures (which include retail orders, in factory transit, internal storage, and other units not "sold in" to retail) meaning some double counting if you add totals yourself.  Same thing for PS2.

They did update PS3 though (only had 2 quarters under production shipment accounting).  It actually makes for a good comparison on just how vastly different the two accounting methods can be...

  • PS3 Production Shipments for Fiscal 2006: 7,340,000
  • PS3 Unit Sales for Fiscal 2006: 3,500,000

 



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Branko2166 said:

145.09 Lifetime shipments for PS2 (end of December)

I explained why above, but this figure is incorrect.  You can ONLY say...

PS2 Production Shipments ltd (March 2000-March 2007): 117,890,000

PS2 Unit Sales (ie: Shipments) ltd (April 2006-Dec 2009): 42,200,000

 

...if you at all try to combine the figures, you're automatically inflating PS2's performance by untold millions of units.



I have accurate PSP and PS2 ltd hw figures for shipments, not production shipments in my front page article. I use shipments from Sony that are less than what you get from adding the production shipments to shipments in the same period of time...Sony lists these figures in its press releases. The last update was in 2009, using June 2009 figures in this press release which clearly doesn't combine shipments and production shipments http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/090819b_e.pdf



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TheSource said:

I have accurate PSP and PS2 ltd hw figures for shipments, not production shipments in my front page article. I use shipments from Sony that are less than what you get from adding the production shipments to shipments in the same period of time...Sony lists these figures in its press releases. The last update was in 2009, using June 2009 figures in this press release which clearly doesn't combine shipments and production shipments http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/090819b_e.pdf

Oh, good to know! <3

 

I wonder why Sony doesn't update their IR materials then, at least with totals?  Seems weird. :/

 

So actual shipment totals (going by your Release link and Sony IR)...

  • PS: 102.49m
  • PS2: 142.8m
  • PSP: 60.1m
  • PS3: 33.5m


I expected arround 7 million for PS3... 6.5 million is very good too.

PSP is disappointing... bad.

PS2 is surprising again... nice sales for a 10 years console.



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PS3 shipments surpass the N64, PSP surpass the NES. It will be a hard crawl until PSP reach GBA numbers, and since it's almost confirmed a new PSP should come this year or the beginning on the next, I don't think it will reach that mark.

Who will get to 150m first? PS2 or DS? mmm, that'll be interesting to see...



 

 

 

 

 

How much money did Sony lose?



Paul said:
How much money did Sony lose?

Nothing.Sony made profit this time.



haxxiy said:
PSP surpass the NES.

Not yet, though it will next quarter.

  • NES: 61,910,000
  • PSP: 60,100,000


PS3's quarter was a little worse than I had expected. I had expected 7m, maybe even more.

Look at it this way, with Slim and all, and no competition in Japan, they only beat 360 6.5-5.2. Most of that difference is in Japan.

It's probably becoming safe to say that in (USA+Europe), PS3 cant overtake the 360 anymore this generation. It's been safe to say that about the USA for some time. The 360 lead in (USA+Europe) is probably around 8 million, and even in the best of times for Sony (aka right after a price cut+new model launch) not declining much. Most of PS3's WW gains are only coming from Japan.


Also "the gap" gets a new lease on life in my mind with Sony shipping 500k less PS3's than I expected. Instead of the gap being 4.7, it's 5.2. Xbox bought more time, even an uncertain future. The 1, 2, and 3, calender quarters are tough to gain ground on. I think 2010 is safe for 360 to stay ahead. The question whether it stays ahead indefinitely depends on if pricing, Natal, Reach, can change things in 2010.

We'll know so much more at the end of 2010 than we do now. I think at the end of 2010, we'll reasonably have our 2nd place decided for the generation. The trends and numbers at that point should be enough to know. I am pretty sure it will be 360.