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Sephiroth357 on 24 January 2010
Jay_Leno said:
Hi guys. Needless to say I saw this topic and was compelled to join VGC. Let me tell you right here and now, the fault goes to NBC first and foremost.

Now, when Leno was taken off the Tonight Show, he was averaging 5 million viewers a night. He was #1 for years and probably would have still been. Now, it is fair to expect Conan to at least maintain the viewing audience. The fact of the matter is at the same time slot, he lost 2 million viewers. If he had been able to hold the audience, the situation wouldn't be so bad.


The affiliates are often mentioned. The jay leno show had been severely detrimental to the ratings of the late local news on NBC affiliates. Several stations across the country have seen what is known as the "Leno Effect", where the lower audience for Leno (as compared to NBC's scripted prime time offerings) is translating directly into severe audience drops for late local news (on the order of 25–30% The local news was suffering because it had to be played at 11 instead of 10. That extra hour really ticked them off.

Now, had Conan been doing well, all NBC would have to do is cut jay leno free and focus their attention on Conan. the fact that Conan lost millions in viewers meant that NBC would have to restructure their late night line up again.

Finally, Conan didn't want to move time slots. When he refused, it was inevitable that he would leave NBC.

So, is it leno's fault? partially. Nobody expected his show to be a big hit. Is it conan's fault? a little more- he didn't keep his audience. Is it NBC's fault? without a doubt. They shouldn't have mixed up the late night viewings in the first place.

So, Jay couldn't say "no." Jay Leno is playing along with NBC, so this makes him as much of the problem as NBC!

Leno fucked up everying. He made people switch the channel, or turn off the TV, as Kasz216 pointed out.

The guy needs to retire. You can only go for so long.

 

 




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Kasz216 on 24 January 2010
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Sephiroth357 said:
NBC and Leno are assholes.

Jay Leno's audience is getting old, and I hope the ratings get as bad as they can.


Conan rules!

I'd be surprised if that audience comes back honestly.  The fact that the audience didn't move with him pretty much indicates they were there more out of routine rather then liking the show.  With 7 months of the routine being broken... will they come back?

Maybe if they went to Letterman or Kimmel or whoever, but that's not what happened.  Ratings indicate these people went to Cable dramas and the like.  Shows they're now invested in...

I don't see it going too well for Leno.

im coming back

A) Sample of 1... and not what TV experts expect.

B) Why weren't you watching his show at 10?

I do watch the Jay Leno show...not as much as when he was on the Tonight show though

and what i meant by im coming back is I will follow Jay Leno back to the Tonight Show timeslot...I been a fan of Leno since im 9-10 years old I wish Conan luck he's a funny guy but Leno's show is better

Your not really one of the people I was talking about then.

I'm talking about the tons of people that weren't watching is 10 show that made him bomb so bad affiliates needed to kick him off the air because they were costing them tens of millions.

I just read he was getting on average 5 million viewers at the 10 timeslot...is that really that bad when there is a lot of competition at 10 from CBS ABC etc? and to be fair Conan wasn't do any better in fact I read he was only averaging 2-3 million viewers

He was doing so poorly the affiliates threatened to drop him if NBC didn't get rid of him.  He was costing NBC affliates a ton of money.

Yeah... he was doing REALLY badly.  The affiliates were going to air reruns in his place... because he was getting beat by reruns like CSI Miami.

 

VS Conan who wasn't losing money... in a timeslot that in general gets less ratings. (NBC actually tried to claim it later in the week, but that was debunked as a fudging of figures.)

 

Actually a LARGE part of the drop in Conan and Fallon's numbers are considered Jay Leno's fault.

Since, Leno ALSO dropped the ratings of the channels local News stations. 

His prime time show gets people to turn off the tv afterwords.

 

 

so your saying EVERYTHING is Leno's fault?

So are... pretty much everybody in the TV industry.

The whole ratings drop was Leno's fault.  Or rather NBC's decision to put Leno in the 10 spot.

Leno further made things worse by agreeing to the move when he had already said he wasn't going to. 

Leno has ALWAYS been seen in the industry as something of a self promoting person who will turn on you at the drop of a hat.

During a comedy strike he fed strike information to the club managers for example.



Kasz216 on 24 January 2010
Jay_Leno said:
Hi guys. Needless to say I saw this topic and was compelled to join VGC. Let me tell you right here and now, the fault goes to NBC first and foremost.

Now, when Leno was taken off the Tonight Show, he was averaging 5 million viewers a night. He was #1 for years and probably would have still been. Now, it is fair to expect Conan to at least maintain the viewing audience. The fact of the matter is at the same time slot, he lost 2 million viewers. If he had been able to hold the audience, the situation wouldn't be so bad.


The affiliates are often mentioned. The jay leno show had been severely detrimental to the ratings of the late local news on NBC affiliates. Several stations across the country have seen what is known as the "Leno Effect", where the lower audience for Leno (as compared to NBC's scripted prime time offerings) is translating directly into severe audience drops for late local news (on the order of 25–30% The local news was suffering because it had to be played at 11 instead of 10. That extra hour really ticked them off.

Now, had Conan been doing well, all NBC would have to do is cut jay leno free and focus their attention on Conan. the fact that Conan lost millions in viewers meant that NBC would have to restructure their late night line up again.

Finally, Conan didn't want to move time slots. When he refused, it was inevitable that he would leave NBC.

So, is it leno's fault? partially. Nobody expected his show to be a big hit. Is it conan's fault? a little more- he didn't keep his audience. Is it NBC's fault? without a doubt. They shouldn't have mixed up the late night viewings in the first place.

You kinda missed the point that the "Leno Effect" also carried over to Conan and Falon.

Going from talkshow to talkshow is one thing.


Talkshow to news, to talkshow... doesn't really work.

 

You also forgot where Leno said he'd never go back to 11:35... 5 years ago.

Or... you said it anyway.



mrstickball on 24 January 2010

And that is why its Leno's fault.

If Conan was down 2 million viewers, and the 10pm slot was down also, one can only assume that it started with them changing the 10pm slot. When you read the articles about it, the affiliates were mad that the news lead-in by Leno was hurting them...Not that Conan was getting hit.

It seems that they simply wanted to scapegoat Conan with the problems, when in actuality it was a domino effect of them replacing Southland with Leno. IMO, Leno would have done much better with a 6 or 7pm slot than his 10pm slot.

In the end, Conan will go to Fox, and tear Leno a new rear end, proving it was Lenos fault, not Conan.



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famousringo on 24 January 2010

All I know is that all this late night television drama is more amusing than any late night variety show I've ever seen.



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11ht11 on 24 January 2010

team coco :)



smbu2000 on 24 January 2010
Snake612 said:
I didn't get to see the end of Conan's show because I fell asleep. I think its ridculous that NBC is letting Leno come back to the Tonight Show. Leno hosted the show for 17 years and Conan hosted it for only 7 months. I think this is NBC's biggest disappointment by far.

If you check out hulu.com and search for conan, then you can watch the whole episode online.

It was a good show and I'm sad to see Conan gone. I wonder what he'll be up to next? Fox?




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Xen on 24 January 2010

Conan rules. He did go out with a blast, and showed NBC how stupid they really are...

Also.... they preferred Leno over him? REALLY? LENO? The only time his show is funny is on headlines or Jaywalking, and he can't take credit for either.



gamefreak4ever on 24 January 2010
Xen said:
Conan rules. He did go out with a blast, and showed NBC how stupid they really are...

Also.... they preferred Leno over him? REALLY? LENO? The only time his show is funny is on headlines or Jaywalking, and he can't take credit for either.


I totally agree...can't wait to find out where he's going...



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