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Feylic on 24 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
papflesje said:
Just so people know to GeoW 2 got 10 for graphics, ME2 a 9.5. So that clearly isnt the guage for what they think. Who knows why it's 9.5.


So you don't know why the score would be different, but you DO know what "the competition" means? :) Unless you wrote the piece or know the writer, you cannot know what he meant with competition. Maintaining your point, just illustrates the "stubbornness" I previously mentioned.

For you could also list "competition" as anything that has a cinematic experience, meaning every movie as well. It could even mean everything that engages you and that could even mean football for some people. Agreed, he is probably limiting it to the gaming world, we can pretty much make that statement. Saying it either fits the 360, everything gaming, rpg's and so on are not possible as statements.

LOL. The twists keep coming. Get over it. If they meant RPG's they would have said that. If they meant 360, they would have said that. They always have done. I'm the one reading the words and taking them at face value. It's others trying to implement they only mean 360 or RPG's.

But, if they meant best looking game on consoles, wouldn't they have said that as well. They had no problems calling Gears 2, Killzone 2, & Uncharted 2 that. What makes Mass Effect 2 any different IF that's how they felt? I think you'll find that, mutually, everyone is making an assumption here, including you selnor. Problem is, you're not willing to hear the other side. That's why people continue to debate with you about it.

I'm not saying that you're right or wrong, you could be either one. I'm just thinking about both sides here, and as of now, nothing is absolute and we'll never know which is.

It's kind of pointless to argue with Selnor. He's just gonna start saying "Gasp! draw distance!" over and over again :p



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starcraft on 24 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
papflesje said:
Just so people know to GeoW 2 got 10 for graphics, ME2 a 9.5. So that clearly isnt the guage for what they think. Who knows why it's 9.5.


So you don't know why the score would be different, but you DO know what "the competition" means? :) Unless you wrote the piece or know the writer, you cannot know what he meant with competition. Maintaining your point, just illustrates the "stubbornness" I previously mentioned.

For you could also list "competition" as anything that has a cinematic experience, meaning every movie as well. It could even mean everything that engages you and that could even mean football for some people. Agreed, he is probably limiting it to the gaming world, we can pretty much make that statement. Saying it either fits the 360, everything gaming, rpg's and so on are not possible as statements.

LOL. The twists keep coming. Get over it. If they meant RPG's they would have said that. If they meant 360, they would have said that. They always have done. I'm the one reading the words and taking them at face value. It's others trying to implement they only mean 360 or RPG's.

But, if they meant best looking game on consoles, wouldn't they have said that as well? They had no problems calling Gears 2, Killzone 2, & Uncharted 2 that. What makes Mass Effect 2 any different IF that's how they felt? I think you'll find that, mutually, everyone is making an assumption here, including you selnor. Problem is, you're not willing to hear the other side. That's why people continue to debate with you about it.

I'm not saying that you're right or wrong, you could be either one. I'm just thinking about both sides here, and as of now, nothing is absolute and we'll never know which is.

Selnor has this going for him.

He IS taking things at face value.

It's you guys that have gotten so protective of the PS3's supposed graphical lead that you've felt it necessary to hijack a 360 Mass Effect 2 thread to shoot down IGN's review.



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papflesje on 24 January 2010

Couldn't care less about shooting something down. Have seen and played ME2 several months ago and back in August, so already knew it was top notch.


Besides, once a review says something to detract what you call "the ps3's supposed graphical lead", you're backing it up? Seems equally hypocritical of what you're accusing me. (since i've said every time in this thread that it is impossible to judge what criteria the reviewer exactly used without him specifying). Where are you with the face-value argument when every party is trying to spin NPD results? Then it's no longer face value, but spin? Stick to one story.



starcraft on 24 January 2010
papflesje said:
Couldn't care less about shooting something down. Have seen and played ME2 several months ago and back in August, so already knew it was top notch.


Besides, once a review says something to detract what you call "the ps3's supposed graphical lead", you're backing it up? Seems equally hypocritical of what you're accusing me. (since i've said every time in this thread that it is impossible to judge what criteria the reviewer exactly used without him specifying). Where are you with the face-value argument when every party is trying to spin NPD results? Then it's no longer face value, but spin? Stick to one story.

I have one story.  I am reading a review, in which the reputable reviewer said that Mass Effect 2 had better visuals than the competition.  If you would like, create a thread in the gaming forum arguing that high definition games across the Xbox 360 and PS3 are not in competition with one another.  See how far you get.

Ultimately, you have come into the Microsoft forum's, started attacking a poster who (again, in the MICROSOFT forums) reached a perfectly logical pro-Xbox 360 conclusion based off this review and now you're sitting around wondering why people didn't take kindly too it.

Now please, grow up and kindly leave the thread if you have nothing positive to contribute.



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papflesje on 24 January 2010

Attacking? I contested his way of interpreting words. Since when is that attacking?

Please address the statement I made about face value and NPD without just reverting to "leave the thread". And besides, I'd love for you to say the same thing when people do the "Sony is spinning"-routine :)

 

Besides, if you're taking it at face value, then "better than the competition" means better than on any platform. That means better than on pc and that means better than crysis. That is 'at face value'. If you think he means "better than the competition, both on xbox 360 and ps3" then you're making an assumption of his words, just like the others are doing, and you're equally just guessing.



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starcraft on 24 January 2010

Well when you catch me not saying the same thing, feel free to call me out on it. I haven't suddenly resorted to "leave the thread." Your last several posts have been about no more than attacking Selnor and the IGN review. Context begets appearances, and here in the Microsoft forum, what you're doing is little more than trolling.

When you have to base your argument on "I may be doing the wrong thing, but you'd do the same wrong thing if the situation was reversed," you should know it is time to leave the thread.



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papflesje on 24 January 2010

Again, i'm contesting the words that are used to make the statement, and every time I ask specifics on how one would react to a similar situation, to see whether that would sollicit a similar response, selnor reverts to "better than the competition" and you don't react to what I'm asking.

Besides, I'm not doing the wrong thing. I'm giving my own opinion about the statement, asking others to question other possible situations with the same circumstances and how they would react to those circumstances and you, for example, ignore it.



starcraft on 24 January 2010

Fair enough, you've made your point, and contest that he wont answer, so now can it be dropped?

Equally, you ignored my solution. I am yet to see a thread in the hot topics section where you make your argument that HD console games are not in competition with one-another.



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papflesje on 24 January 2010

I won't deny that they are in competition with each other and I won't deny that this game looks beautiful (heck, bioware... aside from some gameplay mechanics on Dragon Age (on consoles), they can't do anything wrong it would seem). Although plenty of users here would probably go "different console, different type of game, therefore not comparable - like is being done in the Halo Reach vs Killzone 3 thread).

(although, based on a interview I recently did with MS, Ninty and Sony: Apparently, none of them are in competition with each other :p)



selnor on 24 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
starcraft said:
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
papflesje said:
Just so people know to GeoW 2 got 10 for graphics, ME2 a 9.5. So that clearly isnt the guage for what they think. Who knows why it's 9.5.


So you don't know why the score would be different, but you DO know what "the competition" means? :) Unless you wrote the piece or know the writer, you cannot know what he meant with competition. Maintaining your point, just illustrates the "stubbornness" I previously mentioned.

For you could also list "competition" as anything that has a cinematic experience, meaning every movie as well. It could even mean everything that engages you and that could even mean football for some people. Agreed, he is probably limiting it to the gaming world, we can pretty much make that statement. Saying it either fits the 360, everything gaming, rpg's and so on are not possible as statements.

LOL. The twists keep coming. Get over it. If they meant RPG's they would have said that. If they meant 360, they would have said that. They always have done. I'm the one reading the words and taking them at face value. It's others trying to implement they only mean 360 or RPG's.

But, if they meant best looking game on consoles, wouldn't they have said that as well? They had no problems calling Gears 2, Killzone 2, & Uncharted 2 that. What makes Mass Effect 2 any different IF that's how they felt? I think you'll find that, mutually, everyone is making an assumption here, including you selnor. Problem is, you're not willing to hear the other side. That's why people continue to debate with you about it.

I'm not saying that you're right or wrong, you could be either one. I'm just thinking about both sides here, and as of now, nothing is absolute and we'll never know which is.

Selnor has this going for him.

He IS taking things at face value.

It's you guys that have gotten so protective of the PS3's supposed graphical lead that you've felt it necessary to hijack a 360 Mass Effect 2 thread to shoot down IGN's review.

You have it backwards, nobody has 'hijacked' anything, at least I haven't. Selnor has an opinion, some disagreed or challenged it. If there's genuine hatred for Mass Effect 2, I'm not a part of it, I do plan to buy the game afterall.

CGI, you are very nice to chat to. I have every belief your intentions are right. And I have taken no offence to you.

Also, Welcome back StarCraft. Ive missed you. :)