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twesterm said:

Publishers have to do something to protect thier property.

I agree with this in theory but I've never seen it suggested, not even once, that DRM schemes do anything whatsoever to curb piracy in the long (or even short) term. That reasoning is good as a theory, but practically speaking it is horse poop.



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I believe the real purpose of progressively more strict DRM is to get us closer and closer to every publisher's utopia of eliminating the sales of used games, while keeping games at $/€ 50 or above.

They know digital distribution is going to take over, and they want people to get as used as possible to not being able to gain value by reselling games, while still paying the same price as now.

It's not for pirates. It's an attempt at controlling our views of what we buy.

There, I said it.

 



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Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:

Time to queue up the torrent for this game. Shame really, Over the =course of the last 2 years I've ended up buying BioShock 1 about 4 different times through deals and stuff.

 

@twesterm

I'm fairly sure they don't show all the license iformation on the box. Also when you BUY the game you can't return it, so they already got your money and it doesn't matter. The answer is to go to a competitor who offers a better product (i.e. pirates).

I thought by law, the manufacturer has to issue you a full refund if you disagree with the EULA.

I thought that you cannot return opened PC games. Thing is you can't really read the EULA until you pop it open.

Not to the store.  I'm pretty sure if you disagree with the EULA you can send it back to the publisher and they have to issue you a full refund.

Which actually kinda screws them since that means they have to pay you what YOU paid for it and that's not what they get per copy.

I could be wrong there though.

Is there a limit on how much you can do this? Because I think it'd be much more efective to just buy games and make them lose actual money for shit like this. Far more effective than piracy, if they see millions in dollars actually wasted then it'd catch their attention even more.



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@twestern

Of course that publishers have to protect their property. But going from having a market standard of where you buy a license that doesn't expire to a situation where you impose limits on the buyer will bring on total frustration. By doing this whole mess with securerom etc 2k is basically asking to have their game ignored.

And while it may seem okay to you since you don't recall reinstalling a single game more than 5 times, that is only you. 15 times is quite bit but when some devs are rumored to decrease this to as low as 3 installs...well the customers have a right to be angry. I don't know about you, but i don't keep receipts from stores that are older than 2 months max, so what happens when after a year from purchase i can't install my game and can't prove that i bought it legally? You're a dev so do tell.



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NJ5 said:

I believe the real purpose of progressively more strict DRM is to get us closer and closer to every publisher's utopia of eliminating the sales of used games, while keeping games at $/€ 50 or above.

They know digital distribution is going to take over, and they want people to get as used as possible to not being able to gain value by reselling games, while still paying the same price as now.

It's not for pirates. It's an attempt at controlling our views of what we buy.

There, I said it.

I wonder if any of them have considered that the explosion in piracy may simply be the market's reaction to forced restriction.

I mean, I don't know, but it's something to consider.



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Khuutra said:
NJ5 said:

I believe the real purpose of progressively more strict DRM is to get us closer and closer to every publisher's utopia of eliminating the sales of used games, while keeping games at $/€ 50 or above.

They know digital distribution is going to take over, and they want people to get as used as possible to not being able to gain value by reselling games, while still paying the same price as now.

It's not for pirates. It's an attempt at controlling our views of what we buy.

There, I said it.

I wonder if any of them have considered that the explosion in piracy may simply be the market's reaction to forced restriction.

I mean, I don't know, but it's something to consider.

Well. EA considered it and went back on their DRM schemes for the PC. You'd think others would learn as well.



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vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:

Time to queue up the torrent for this game. Shame really, Over the =course of the last 2 years I've ended up buying BioShock 1 about 4 different times through deals and stuff.

 

@twesterm

I'm fairly sure they don't show all the license iformation on the box. Also when you BUY the game you can't return it, so they already got your money and it doesn't matter. The answer is to go to a competitor who offers a better product (i.e. pirates).

I thought by law, the manufacturer has to issue you a full refund if you disagree with the EULA.

I thought that you cannot return opened PC games. Thing is you can't really read the EULA until you pop it open.

Not to the store.  I'm pretty sure if you disagree with the EULA you can send it back to the publisher and they have to issue you a full refund.

Which actually kinda screws them since that means they have to pay you what YOU paid for it and that's not what they get per copy.

I could be wrong there though.

Is there a limit on how much you can do this? Because I think it'd be much more efective to just buy games and make them lose actual money for shit like this. Far more effective than piracy, if they see millions in dollars actually wasted then it'd catch their attention even more.

I'd imagine if you did it to much they could take you to court and try and prove that you weren't acting "in good faith."  IE: kept buying the same game when you'd already read the EULA.



Now if a few thousand gamers "arbitrarily" decided to do it, with several games each, and then this spread...

 



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NJ5 said:

Now if a few thousand gamers "arbitrarily" decided to do it, with several games each, and then this spread...

 

It'd be a strong message, but gamers are like voters.  Together they're strong, but they never act together and put up with the crappy options they have to deal with rather then push for better options.

Also, like I said... I may be mistaken on that law, but I could of swore that's the only way EULA are legal.  Otherwise they'd be illegal because you've concluded a contract paid money have no recourse to get that money back and have to agree with hidden terms.



I'm just wondering about that because there were many people who didn't get refunds on their MW2 until they called the fair trade bureau for false advertisement because of the dedicated server stuff. However no one was able to return games that they opened and didn't agree with the EULA.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835