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Barozi on 21 January 2010

ugh this Pachter statement is even worse than his Wii HD prediction.



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Burning Typhoon on 21 January 2010

... Maybe Gears of War can be a repeat of Tekken 6... And we all know how that went... I personally wouldn't get Gears of War 3 if it was lacking because of a PS3 port. But, maybe they'll learn from Namco's lesson... And not announce the game until both are near completion, and, not gimp either version... which wont happen if the game wasn't already fully developed on 360.

But, if it's great, and on par with Uncharted 2 in terms of quality, I'd get it.



nightsurge on 21 January 2010
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All Pachter is saying is that epic wont like being locked into supporting just the 360, when the PS3-slim has really been a game changer and that it makes a lot more sense to support the PS3 now. That's it and the idea that the PS3 would get more attention from developers is only obvious given its sales lately.

If thats what he is saying, then all the PS3 first party devs must be up in arms over the larger userbase on 360 this whole time that could have doubled up or more on all of their sales!!!

No.  Sony has had to moneyhat significantly, or else why would they even have 1st party developers up until recently?  What passes for critical thinking around here ..

I still don't follow you nor Pachter's logic.  Microsoft obviously offered them an incentive in this deal, same as any first/second party developer.  You don't sign contracts for exclusivity without some sort of incentives!

So as I said, if that's really what Pachter is saying, then any and all first party devs on either platform should be crying rivers because of all the lost profit and there would be no more exclusives.

Ok, I see your error now.  There is no "lost profits" when considering Pacter's statements, just greater profits that could be obtained if Epic wanted to do a multiplat deal.  Also, you are indeed correct with the detail that MS did offer an incentive to stay exclusive, BUT you miss the bigger picture, as neither MS nor epic were really expecting the success of the PS3 slim, and because of that MS wouldnt have been offering epic as much for exclusivity on Gears, if they knew that it would be rocking the ball out of the park every week with hardware. 

I dont think that you realize you dont have to pay all that much for exclusivity when your console is clearly beating the other one, like 360 has over the PS3 for a while now,  so Pacter is just saying that if they weren't locked into a contract, that epic could get a better deal by going multiplat.  There's no reason to pay an incentive to stay exclusive when your console is the only choice ( excluding the wii of course) that is selling. 

I think you don't realize what little affect the PS3 Slim has had over the big picture.  The sales momentum has been shifting back and forth for the last 4 years.  What the Slim + PRICE CUT (price cut being the big motivator these last few months, not the Slim) did was only countering what the 360 did last year, which was only a counter to what the PS3 did the year before and so on.  This slight shift each year would have had little to no affect on the exclusivity deals.

Greater profits that could have been obtained = lost profits.  Same difference.  If they weren't "lost" there would be no reason to be upset as Pachter seems to think they are.  You don't get upset just at the notion alone that you could have made more profits.  The Gears contract was signed when neither console had even launched yet, so again, I fail to see the relevance this has to either you or Pachter's statements.

 

This is ignorant.  Look, most companies can come in with a cheaper product with a given die cut in its chips, but Sony did that and then some, they cut the manufacturing price significantly.  Sony can make a  price cut any time that they like, but the less it costs to manufacture the slim, the more $$$$ that they can shovel back into the business whether its investing in Home, more exclusives, general advertising or whatever. 

 

And you are also incorrect in that in a situation where greater profits were not obtained, doesn't equal a loss because no actual losses were obtained.  We are comparing a plausible scenario with a real one anyway, so you cant say that anything was "lost" even though you are quite ignorantly insisting on that.  Seriously, are you going to college?  How educated are you?  I doubt you have much beyond a job at 7-11 and high school degree.

Wow, you seriously do not get it, do you?  I'm not the one arguing this whole time that they are losing anything.  I'm saying that is the way PACHTER is trying to make it sound.  Anything about the lost profits/potential profits is just semantics.  You know full well what is meant.  Also, everything you said in the first paragraph means absolutely nothing in this context.  They had to cut the costs significantly in order to stay price competitive without taking as big of a loss as they had before.  I'm not saying the Slim isn't some engineering achievement and a great success for Sony, I'm saying it has had no overall affect on the big picture, being that they are still millions behind their competitors, yet all 3 companies still have a large enough userbase to guarantee support, and that at the end of 2010 the momentum will likely shift.... again.  What you are saying is basically ignorant of all the past sales trends.  And you still ignored the fact that the Gears deal was signed before the launch of either console, so userbase size was not even a concern at all back then.  All I am saying, is Pachter is a fool to think that Epic is hurting or upset about their decision to stay 360 exclusive with Gears.  By his flawed logic, no company in their right mind would ever make an exclusive game because they could make more money with a multiplat, another statement of mine you have yet to really argue about.  It seems you only care to argue the off topic tangents you are creating and your attempts to aggravate me.

And really, what is with your personal attacks?  You have been trying to include them in every reply to me.  Thus far I have not reported them because I realize anger is just the normal response of one that is being challenged by superior intellect.

By the way, I'm 21, already a senior majoring with a BS in Computer Science, AS in Mathematics, and a minor in OLS.  My IQ last I had it checked is also 147 (not quite "genious" by definition, I guess, but awefully close!)



Lord Flashheart on 21 January 2010

Those internet IQ test will always tell you you got a high score to get you to buy the certificate.
For instance mine was similar.



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sabby_e17 on 21 January 2010

Patcher is stupid.

The reason Gears of War is so successful is because of exclusivity to the 360. So I'm sure that Epic are very happy with what they have achieved so far.




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nightsurge on 21 January 2010
Lord Flashheart said:
Those internet IQ test will always tell you you got a high score to get you to buy the certificate.
For instance mine was similar.

No no, I am not talking about internet IQ tests.    I know better than that!  I am referring to an actual written examination that my high school actually administered to any senior that wanted to take it.  Trust me, I did not have to buy anything and it wasn't just some 10 question quiz.



Cheebee on 21 January 2010

Urgh... why don't people just stop making threads about every little thing this guys says. Every day, when I visit VGC, there's at least a handful of new threads about how Pachter scratched his nose, ate a cheese sandwich or said he loves kitties. Come on already, quit giving the guy all this attention, if we don't, it'll only get worse and worse. He seems to think he some information-god and the entire internet bows down to his glorious being. -_-' I'm sick of it.



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Poltergeist13 on 21 January 2010

You also have to think of companies like Naughty Dog and Insomniac also, they've made exclusively for Playstation. I imagine Resistance would've sold more on 360, same as Uncharted (Sony fanboys, no need to explain that Uncharted won't run on 360). Though Insomniac is going multi-platform with their next game. Not Resistance 3, Sony owns that franchise, same as Ratchet & Clank series. It will be a new IP.



forest-spirit on 21 January 2010

So...We have a Wii HD for 2010, and Epic now regrets their contract with Microsoft.

Gears of Wii confirmed!


Seriously, by Pachter's logic, shouldn't every company make multiplatform games only for maximum profit?



RareglovE on 25 January 2010
Poltergeist13 said:
You also have to think of companies like Naughty Dog and Insomniac also, they've made exclusively for Playstation. I imagine Resistance would've sold more on 360, same as Uncharted (Sony fanboys, no need to explain that Uncharted won't run on 360). Though Insomniac is going multi-platform with their next game. Not Resistance 3, Sony owns that franchise, same as Ratchet & Clank series. It will be a new IP.

that is nothing more but a rumor.