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Euphoria14 on 17 January 2010
vaio said:
Euphoria14 said:
vaio said:
 

I have a HD system, I have everything except PS3 and I will continue to bitch about the lack of effort on the Wii because at this point there is no excuse for them not to bring it to the Wii.

When they stop bitching about their halfassed work not being sold enough on the Wii then maybe i will stop bitching too.

All I want is the same effort put into a Wii game from theese developers as they put into the HD twins, no more of their C teams making games for the Wii bring on their A teams (their best teams) to make a game for the wii.

FPS games would fit perfectly on the Wii with the wiimote and yet they dont bring it, they rather bring it on the HD with their inferior controls and that is fracked up especially when they bitch that their games dont sell on the Wii.

Just look at Modern warfare, even though its inferior graphics wise and gimped both game wise and marketing wise the game is still a superior experinece on the Wii, especially when you allready have played it on a HD system once (thats all better graphic does, its better the first time with enhanced graphics then it doesnt mutter anynmore).

@Green

This has always been a favorite argument. People taking something totally subjective and passing it off as fact.

Not everyone likes playing FPS games with the Wiimote. I am one of them. I would rather take a controller any day of the week. Hell, I don't even like playing them with a mouse.

If you like living in the past then so be it, Ive been playing with a controller for almost 30 years and the main thing during this time has been better graphics and thats so old now.

I have eagerly been awaiting the Wii since Nintendo announced their work on the revolution project (the wii) in the mid 90´s and its finally here and it pisses me of that i have to wait even longer to play the games that benefit the most from the wii mote wich in this case would be FPS games.

I've been playing with a controller as well for over 20 years now and I still enjoy it. I'm not living in the past, I am just sticking with what I enjoy, plain and simple. I play mainly RPG titles and I see zero advantage of playing with a Wiimote/Wand as opposed to a standard controller.

Of course our tastes differ, which is perfectly normal.

Maybe if these Wii owners bought Metroid Prime more than they did when it was released years ago third parties would have made them since they would have seen a big audience for it, but unfortunately they didn't. Instead they saw that more people clearly prefer to play FPS on a console with a standard controller.

Not trying to tell you jump ship, but we all know the PS3 will continue to get FPS games, not just from 3rd parties, but from Sony themselves. These future titles will not doubt feature support for their wand, so if you want them that bad you will know where to find them.



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Ail on 17 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

Funny seeing how the only Wii game by best buy advertise with huge stands are Wii Fit+ and EA Sports Active...( and seeing the number of people that stop to have look there is interest..)



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vaio on 17 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
 

I have a HD system, I have everything except PS3 and I will continue to bitch about the lack of effort on the Wii because at this point there is no excuse for them not to bring it to the Wii.

When they stop bitching about their halfassed work not being sold enough on the Wii then maybe i will stop bitching too.

All I want is the same effort put into a Wii game from theese developers as they put into the HD twins, no more of their C teams making games for the Wii bring on their A teams (their best teams) to make a game for the wii.

FPS games would fit perfectly on the Wii with the wiimote and yet they dont bring it, they rather bring it on the HD with their inferior controls and that is fracked up especially when they bitch that their games dont sell on the Wii.

Just look at Modern warfare, even though its inferior graphics wise and gimped both game wise and marketing wise the game is still a superior experinece on the Wii, especially when you allready have played it on a HD system once (thats all better graphic does, its better the first time with enhanced graphics then it doesnt mutter anynmore).

Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort.

if they could do it for the playstation then they could do it for the Wii its as simple as that.

Right, you could pull off Assassins creed without a living breathing city and massive landscapes and combat. You could pull off Bioshocks atmosphere with 1/2 of th etextures, environment and immersion.

Give me a god damn break. This hardware alone would change the games as we know it, let alone the lack of button mapping necessary to flow through an intense game requiring that kind of processing power.

1st off you dont need those exact games on the wii, its about the effort they put in. If they put the same effort into a wii game as they put into those then you would reach the same immersion. It has been done in last gen games so it can be done this gen, unless ofcourse you are saying that all games lacked immersion before this gen started.



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Ail on 17 January 2010
vaio said:
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
 

I have a HD system, I have everything except PS3 and I will continue to bitch about the lack of effort on the Wii because at this point there is no excuse for them not to bring it to the Wii.

When they stop bitching about their halfassed work not being sold enough on the Wii then maybe i will stop bitching too.

All I want is the same effort put into a Wii game from theese developers as they put into the HD twins, no more of their C teams making games for the Wii bring on their A teams (their best teams) to make a game for the wii.

FPS games would fit perfectly on the Wii with the wiimote and yet they dont bring it, they rather bring it on the HD with their inferior controls and that is fracked up especially when they bitch that their games dont sell on the Wii.

Just look at Modern warfare, even though its inferior graphics wise and gimped both game wise and marketing wise the game is still a superior experinece on the Wii, especially when you allready have played it on a HD system once (thats all better graphic does, its better the first time with enhanced graphics then it doesnt mutter anynmore).

Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort.

if they could do it for the playstation then they could do it for the Wii its as simple as that.

Then you might want to pick up a PS2 for 99$, I hear it has a huge catalog..



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steverhcp02 on 17 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Right, you could pull off Assassins creed without a living breathing city and massive landscapes and combat."

San Andreas had all those things. While that's too much for the PS1, it's not too much for the Wii, so all that gets sacrificed is an expensive coat of paint.

Yeah, and you know what happens when production values and expectations move forward? You cant make a game that was aceeptable in the PS2 era now, expectations shift and visions and progression among genres and franchises must move forward.

You literally just made my argument, you want games that were acceptable 7 years ago today on the wii, which speaks to exactly why they arent being done.




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Euphoria14 on 17 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
Euphoria14 said:
No matter how much people complain these companies will make what they want for whatever console(s) they want. End of story really.

If I was a developer I would make what I want to make for whatever I want to make it for. I wouldn't change my vision just because people ask me to. I know what I like to make and I know what I am good at.

Who knows, maybe my view would bankrupt me, but is there a guarantee that doing what everyone else tells me to do would be all rainbows and butterflies?

Is there a guarantee that a $15-30M project on the Wii would bring these devs more money than a $15-30M project on the HD Twins? Am I going to spend around the same amount and then offer my game(s) for $10 less and then make the same and/or more money?

I don't know these answers, I'm not even in a proper state of mind and not even sure if my post makes any sense really.

Be gentle.

Thank you. Im about to graduate and become a registered nurse and to be honest, yeah, i could work in a nursing home or hospice which is monumentally (arguably) such an important aspect of human life care, helping families and patients transition to an impossible situation in their life.....but ive spent so much work and time on understand the ins and outs of intense medications, emergency situations, complex skills that would simply either go to waste or my skills not being fulfilled, so rather than pass my profession and education by in the hospice or elderly care id gladly take a pay cut to fully utilize my skills and passion in an ICU or ER setting.

Completely off-topic but congrats on the upcoming graduation. My girlfriend is about to finish up on her LPN schooling (top of her class ) and afterwards will be going for her RN degree.

Not an easy task I must admit. I don't understand half the stuff she talks about.



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steverhcp02 on 17 January 2010
vaio said:
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
 

I have a HD system, I have everything except PS3 and I will continue to bitch about the lack of effort on the Wii because at this point there is no excuse for them not to bring it to the Wii.

When they stop bitching about their halfassed work not being sold enough on the Wii then maybe i will stop bitching too.

All I want is the same effort put into a Wii game from theese developers as they put into the HD twins, no more of their C teams making games for the Wii bring on their A teams (their best teams) to make a game for the wii.

FPS games would fit perfectly on the Wii with the wiimote and yet they dont bring it, they rather bring it on the HD with their inferior controls and that is fracked up especially when they bitch that their games dont sell on the Wii.

Just look at Modern warfare, even though its inferior graphics wise and gimped both game wise and marketing wise the game is still a superior experinece on the Wii, especially when you allready have played it on a HD system once (thats all better graphic does, its better the first time with enhanced graphics then it doesnt mutter anynmore).

Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort.

if they could do it for the playstation then they could do it for the Wii its as simple as that.

Right, you could pull off Assassins creed without a living breathing city and massive landscapes and combat. You could pull off Bioshocks atmosphere with 1/2 of th etextures, environment and immersion.

Give me a god damn break. This hardware alone would change the games as we know it, let alone the lack of button mapping necessary to flow through an intense game requiring that kind of processing power.

1st off you dont need those exact games on the wii, its about the effort they put in. If they put the same effort into a wii game as they put into those then you would reach the same immersion. It has been done in last gen games so it can be done this gen, unless ofcourse you are saying that all games lacked immersion before this gen started.

no they were acceptable based on last gens standards. If you released a sandbox style game right now on the wii that matched up with last gen it would get slammed and people would be left desiring more because they played that type of game 7 years ago.




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Ail on 17 January 2010

Instead of bashing 3rd party, why don't you ask your dear god Nintendo to release those kind of games ?
Heck they could even just publish them and have someone else develop them...
You would think that if the market was so huge they would be all over it...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail on 17 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Right, you could pull off Assassins creed without a living breathing city and massive landscapes and combat."

San Andreas had all those things. While that's too much for the PS1, it's not too much for the Wii, so all that gets sacrificed is an expensive coat of paint.

Have you played AC2 ?

You can climb every single building and move from top to top..

You can not interact with any San Andreas building, they are just blocks with shiny texture on top...



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PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

LordTheNightKnight on 17 January 2010

"Maybe if these Wii owners bought Metroid Prime more than they did when it was released years ago third parties would have made them since they would have seen a big audience for it,"

That's just an excuse. Metroid Prime was not an FPS. That's like saying Zelda is GTA.



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