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Which would sell more - FFXIII Wii or FFXIII HD

HD 215 79.63%
 
Wii 55 20.37%
 
Total:270
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:

Kasz216 saiz:

Wii sells more games per user then the PS3 in Japan.  The real for the third parties is that the Wii audience is more divided due to new expierences.

Things like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit and Super Mario Brothers Wii and such are going to take away from your midline franchises.  Not Final Fantasy.

This same statement could've been made in reference to the ps2, yet all these franchises sold far better there than they do on the Wii.  On the ps2 there was a endless avalanche of new games to play in Japan, yet these franchises still managed to make names for themselves.  There's more to this than there simply being more games to choose from on Wii.

jarrod saiz:

Also, your Outbreak comparison is confusing.  The games are fundamentally different (and Outbreak is far, far closer to the "mainline" formula in terms of mechanics and presentation), what you should be comparing are the lightgunners... Famitsu data again..

We don't seem to have any data for the lightgun series in our database, which is why I went for the only other Resident Evil spin-off I could think of.  It was a rather ill chosen comparison, I agree.

Keep in mind that with older lightgun games you actually had to buy the lightgun in addition to the game.  With the Wii, you simply use the standard controller, which is why lightgun games have shown far greater success on the Wii than ever before.  The Time Crisis series did pretty well on the ps1 and ps2, but that was the only big thing since Duck Hunt.  The Wii's success in this regard has little bearing on where the Resident Evil fanbase now lies.

jarrod also saiz:

The PS2 port of RE4 was announced before the GC version released even, it totally killed it's sales potential since pretty much everyone already had a PS2.  Had the port not been announced, I think you'd have seen a ratio split more in line with what we saw for Tales of Symphonia (did 323k GC, 394k PS2).

This is an excellent point, and one that I had completely forgotten about.  It basically invalidates the example I used.

It couldn't of been said on the PS2.  In fact I was comparing it to the PS2 in this comment.

There was nothing like the emergence of the Wii franchise on the PS2.  A franchise that actually created entire new ways to play and new genres.

The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.

PS2 owners who now own the Wii basically have to either decide to buy less "mid level franchises" to try the new Wii franchises or spend more money... or both.  Not to mention the return of mainline Nintendo games.

Here is something to consider.

Take a look at the top selling games on the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS2&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=


Now take a look at the top selling Wii games.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=

 

The Wii has 12 games that have already sold 1 million copies in japan.

The PS2 has a total of 18 games that have sold 1 million copies japan.

 

The Wii has only sold 9 Million consoles so far... the Wii will CRUSH the PS2 in million sellers in Japan by the end of this generation... despite the reality that it's going to sell less consoles then the PS2.  The games market in Japan isn't depressed.  It's larger then ever.

Why?  The new franchises and new games invogorate sales.  Even so... the Wii can only sell so many games.

Final Fantasy is not a game that would have to worry about this.

 

The Wii has 12 games over 1 million in your list and 6 more over 500k. Of those only 4 are non Nintendo published games

 

The PS2 has 18 games over 1 million and 52 more over 500k.... All 70 of those were non Nintendo published games..

So don't tell us they are in any way comparable... 70 vs 4 isn't the same as saying 'The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.'

 

The Wii does not have the huge majority of the successfull titles that were on the PS2 ( 4 vs 70 can't really be argued..)

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:

Kasz216 saiz:

Wii sells more games per user then the PS3 in Japan.  The real for the third parties is that the Wii audience is more divided due to new expierences.

Things like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit and Super Mario Brothers Wii and such are going to take away from your midline franchises.  Not Final Fantasy.

This same statement could've been made in reference to the ps2, yet all these franchises sold far better there than they do on the Wii.  On the ps2 there was a endless avalanche of new games to play in Japan, yet these franchises still managed to make names for themselves.  There's more to this than there simply being more games to choose from on Wii.

jarrod saiz:

Also, your Outbreak comparison is confusing.  The games are fundamentally different (and Outbreak is far, far closer to the "mainline" formula in terms of mechanics and presentation), what you should be comparing are the lightgunners... Famitsu data again..

We don't seem to have any data for the lightgun series in our database, which is why I went for the only other Resident Evil spin-off I could think of.  It was a rather ill chosen comparison, I agree.

Keep in mind that with older lightgun games you actually had to buy the lightgun in addition to the game.  With the Wii, you simply use the standard controller, which is why lightgun games have shown far greater success on the Wii than ever before.  The Time Crisis series did pretty well on the ps1 and ps2, but that was the only big thing since Duck Hunt.  The Wii's success in this regard has little bearing on where the Resident Evil fanbase now lies.

jarrod also saiz:

The PS2 port of RE4 was announced before the GC version released even, it totally killed it's sales potential since pretty much everyone already had a PS2.  Had the port not been announced, I think you'd have seen a ratio split more in line with what we saw for Tales of Symphonia (did 323k GC, 394k PS2).

This is an excellent point, and one that I had completely forgotten about.  It basically invalidates the example I used.

It couldn't of been said on the PS2.  In fact I was comparing it to the PS2 in this comment.

There was nothing like the emergence of the Wii franchise on the PS2.  A franchise that actually created entire new ways to play and new genres.

The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.

PS2 owners who now own the Wii basically have to either decide to buy less "mid level franchises" to try the new Wii franchises or spend more money... or both.  Not to mention the return of mainline Nintendo games.

Here is something to consider.

Take a look at the top selling games on the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS2&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=


Now take a look at the top selling Wii games.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=

 

The Wii has 12 games that have already sold 1 million copies in japan.

The PS2 has a total of 18 games that have sold 1 million copies japan.

 

The Wii has only sold 9 Million consoles so far... the Wii will CRUSH the PS2 in million sellers in Japan by the end of this generation... despite the reality that it's going to sell less consoles then the PS2.  The games market in Japan isn't depressed.  It's larger then ever.

Why?  The new franchises and new games invogorate sales.  Even so... the Wii can only sell so many games.

Final Fantasy is not a game that would have to worry about this.

 

The Wii has 12 games over 1 million in your list and 6 more over 500k. Of those only 4 are non Nintendo published games

 

The PS2 has 18 games over 1 million and 52 more over 500k.... All 70 of those were non Nintendo published games..

So don't tell us they are in any way comparable... 70 vs 4 isn't the same as saying 'The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.'

 

The Wii does not have the huge majority of the successfull titles that were on the PS2 ( 4 vs 70 can't really be argued..)

 

What does Nintendo or non Nintendo published games have to do with anything?  

Once again... FF13 is not a midline game.  (The kind that are suffering on the Wii and PS3.)

Wii moves more software.  Those games are suffering because of the influx of such quality Wii software... which was you know, my whole point your really agreeing with me here.

Though you are ignoring the Sony published games there.



makingmusic476 said:

Keep in mind that with older lightgun games you actually had to buy the lightgun in addition to the game.  With the Wii, you simply use the standard controller, which is why lightgun games have shown far greater success on the Wii than ever before.  The Time Crisis series did pretty well on the ps1 and ps2, but that was the only big thing since Duck Hunt.  The Wii's success in this regard has little bearing on where the Resident Evil fanbase now lies.

Actually, the Virtua Cop and HotD games were pretty popular back on Saturn/DC as well.  Really, it was mainly last gen where the genre receded.   More Famitsu!

  • Virtua Cop (SS) 470,108
  • Virtua Cop 2 (SS) 231,994
  • The House of the Dead (SS) 114,787
  • The House of the Dead II (DC) 234,756
  • The House of the Dead III (XB) 7,383
  • Time Crisis (PS1) 299,517
  • Time Crisis 2 (PS2) 138,273
  • Time Crisis 2 (BEST) (PS2) 722
  • Time Crisis 3 (PS2) 35,375
  • Time Crisis 4 (PS3) 59,515

 

...also, the GunSurvivor games were playable on DualShocks, and generally preferred that way since they had analog camera controls.  They did "Guided fps" before Dead Space Extraction (lol).  I'd also say there's a decent Biohazard base on Wii already too considering how well the crusty old GC ports sold.  It's not just the lightgunners that sold better than expected...

  • Biohazard 4 Wii Edition (Wii) 135,417
  • Biohazard 4 Wii Edition (BEST Price) (Wii) 40,612
  • Biohazard 0 Wii Edition (Wii) 78,476
  • Biohazard Wii Edition (Wii) 23,520


Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:

Kasz216 saiz:

Wii sells more games per user then the PS3 in Japan.  The real for the third parties is that the Wii audience is more divided due to new expierences.

Things like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit and Super Mario Brothers Wii and such are going to take away from your midline franchises.  Not Final Fantasy.

This same statement could've been made in reference to the ps2, yet all these franchises sold far better there than they do on the Wii.  On the ps2 there was a endless avalanche of new games to play in Japan, yet these franchises still managed to make names for themselves.  There's more to this than there simply being more games to choose from on Wii.

jarrod saiz:

Also, your Outbreak comparison is confusing.  The games are fundamentally different (and Outbreak is far, far closer to the "mainline" formula in terms of mechanics and presentation), what you should be comparing are the lightgunners... Famitsu data again..

We don't seem to have any data for the lightgun series in our database, which is why I went for the only other Resident Evil spin-off I could think of.  It was a rather ill chosen comparison, I agree.

Keep in mind that with older lightgun games you actually had to buy the lightgun in addition to the game.  With the Wii, you simply use the standard controller, which is why lightgun games have shown far greater success on the Wii than ever before.  The Time Crisis series did pretty well on the ps1 and ps2, but that was the only big thing since Duck Hunt.  The Wii's success in this regard has little bearing on where the Resident Evil fanbase now lies.

jarrod also saiz:

The PS2 port of RE4 was announced before the GC version released even, it totally killed it's sales potential since pretty much everyone already had a PS2.  Had the port not been announced, I think you'd have seen a ratio split more in line with what we saw for Tales of Symphonia (did 323k GC, 394k PS2).

This is an excellent point, and one that I had completely forgotten about.  It basically invalidates the example I used.

It couldn't of been said on the PS2.  In fact I was comparing it to the PS2 in this comment.

There was nothing like the emergence of the Wii franchise on the PS2.  A franchise that actually created entire new ways to play and new genres.

The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.

PS2 owners who now own the Wii basically have to either decide to buy less "mid level franchises" to try the new Wii franchises or spend more money... or both.  Not to mention the return of mainline Nintendo games.

Here is something to consider.

Take a look at the top selling games on the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS2&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=


Now take a look at the top selling Wii games.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=

 

The Wii has 12 games that have already sold 1 million copies in japan.

The PS2 has a total of 18 games that have sold 1 million copies japan.

 

The Wii has only sold 9 Million consoles so far... the Wii will CRUSH the PS2 in million sellers in Japan by the end of this generation... despite the reality that it's going to sell less consoles then the PS2.  The games market in Japan isn't depressed.  It's larger then ever.

Why?  The new franchises and new games invogorate sales.  Even so... the Wii can only sell so many games.

Final Fantasy is not a game that would have to worry about this.

 

The Wii has 12 games over 1 million in your list and 6 more over 500k. Of those only 4 are non Nintendo published games

 

The PS2 has 18 games over 1 million and 52 more over 500k.... All 70 of those were non Nintendo published games..

So don't tell us they are in any way comparable... 70 vs 4 isn't the same as saying 'The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.'

 

The Wii does not have the huge majority of the successfull titles that were on the PS2 ( 4 vs 70 can't really be argued..)

 

Nice post, though it's not as black and white as you make it seem.  You're discounting the power of franchises like Gran Turismo on the ps2.

To add to this, Kasz, you're assuming that those 9 million Wii gamers were former ps2 owners that are buying these Nintendo franchises instead of old ps2 franchises, when it's very possible that millions of those 9 million are blue ocean gamers that Nintendo has brought to gaming through the Wii, much like they have managed to do so in the West, and these people are much more inclined to buy something like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, or the ever loveable Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart over Final Fantasy or Tales, whether due to the style of gameplay or simply because they're not familiar with the latter franchises.



makingmusic476 said:
Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:

Kasz216 saiz:

Wii sells more games per user then the PS3 in Japan.  The real for the third parties is that the Wii audience is more divided due to new expierences.

Things like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit and Super Mario Brothers Wii and such are going to take away from your midline franchises.  Not Final Fantasy.

This same statement could've been made in reference to the ps2, yet all these franchises sold far better there than they do on the Wii.  On the ps2 there was a endless avalanche of new games to play in Japan, yet these franchises still managed to make names for themselves.  There's more to this than there simply being more games to choose from on Wii.

jarrod saiz:

Also, your Outbreak comparison is confusing.  The games are fundamentally different (and Outbreak is far, far closer to the "mainline" formula in terms of mechanics and presentation), what you should be comparing are the lightgunners... Famitsu data again..

We don't seem to have any data for the lightgun series in our database, which is why I went for the only other Resident Evil spin-off I could think of.  It was a rather ill chosen comparison, I agree.

Keep in mind that with older lightgun games you actually had to buy the lightgun in addition to the game.  With the Wii, you simply use the standard controller, which is why lightgun games have shown far greater success on the Wii than ever before.  The Time Crisis series did pretty well on the ps1 and ps2, but that was the only big thing since Duck Hunt.  The Wii's success in this regard has little bearing on where the Resident Evil fanbase now lies.

jarrod also saiz:

The PS2 port of RE4 was announced before the GC version released even, it totally killed it's sales potential since pretty much everyone already had a PS2.  Had the port not been announced, I think you'd have seen a ratio split more in line with what we saw for Tales of Symphonia (did 323k GC, 394k PS2).

This is an excellent point, and one that I had completely forgotten about.  It basically invalidates the example I used.

It couldn't of been said on the PS2.  In fact I was comparing it to the PS2 in this comment.

There was nothing like the emergence of the Wii franchise on the PS2.  A franchise that actually created entire new ways to play and new genres.

The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.

PS2 owners who now own the Wii basically have to either decide to buy less "mid level franchises" to try the new Wii franchises or spend more money... or both.  Not to mention the return of mainline Nintendo games.

Here is something to consider.

Take a look at the top selling games on the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS2&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=


Now take a look at the top selling Wii games.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=

 

The Wii has 12 games that have already sold 1 million copies in japan.

The PS2 has a total of 18 games that have sold 1 million copies japan.

 

The Wii has only sold 9 Million consoles so far... the Wii will CRUSH the PS2 in million sellers in Japan by the end of this generation... despite the reality that it's going to sell less consoles then the PS2.  The games market in Japan isn't depressed.  It's larger then ever.

Why?  The new franchises and new games invogorate sales.  Even so... the Wii can only sell so many games.

Final Fantasy is not a game that would have to worry about this.

 

The Wii has 12 games over 1 million in your list and 6 more over 500k. Of those only 4 are non Nintendo published games

 

The PS2 has 18 games over 1 million and 52 more over 500k.... All 70 of those were non Nintendo published games..

So don't tell us they are in any way comparable... 70 vs 4 isn't the same as saying 'The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.'

 

The Wii does not have the huge majority of the successfull titles that were on the PS2 ( 4 vs 70 can't really be argued..)

 

Nice post.

To add to this, Kasz, you're assuming that those 9 million Wii gamers were former ps2 owners that are buying these Nintendo franchises instead of old ps2 franchises, when it's very possible that millions of those 9 million are blue ocean gamers that Nintendo has brought to gaming through the Wii, much like they have managed to do so in the West, and these people are much more inclined to buy something like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, or the ever loveable Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart over Final Fantasy or Tales, whether due to the style of gameplay or simply because they're not familiar with the latter franchises.

I'm not assuming it.  It's through Nintendo's own numbers they had released a while ago.  A big majority of those Wii owners did own PS2s.

Besides if they weren't at Wii... where did these PS2 consumers go?   People generally adopt the same time they usually do generation to generation.



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Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Ail said:

 

The Wii has 12 games over 1 million in your list and 6 more over 500k. Of those only 4 are non Nintendo published games

 

The PS2 has 18 games over 1 million and 52 more over 500k.... All 70 of those were non Nintendo published games..

So don't tell us they are in any way comparable... 70 vs 4 isn't the same as saying 'The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.'

 

The Wii does not have the huge majority of the successfull titles that were on the PS2 ( 4 vs 70 can't really be argued..)

 

Nice post.

To add to this, Kasz, you're assuming that those 9 million Wii gamers were former ps2 owners that are buying these Nintendo franchises instead of old ps2 franchises, when it's very possible that millions of those 9 million are blue ocean gamers that Nintendo has brought to gaming through the Wii, much like they have managed to do so in the West, and these people are much more inclined to buy something like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, or the ever loveable Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart over Final Fantasy or Tales, whether due to the style of gameplay or simply because they're not familiar with the latter franchises.

I'm not assuming it.  It's through Nintendo's own numbers they had released a while ago.  A big majority of those Wii owners did own PS2s.

Well that would surprise me, given the nature of Nintendo's business strategy, but I'll take your word for it. 



A sizable "Blue Ocean" demographic that seems to generally go overlooked (and would be especially relevant in Japan) are lasped gamers. People who had Famicom or Game Boy way back as a kid, but eventually fell out of gaming. And outside Nintendo, I think 3rd parties have done a (generally) terrible job of courting this group, who I'd imagine would be pretty responsive to well done 3rd party games on Wii. I dunno how much this would've impacted a theoretical Wii FFXIII, the series had a marked shift when it went PlayStation, but then a Wii FFXIII likely would've been a much different product too. I actually tend to think a more nostalgic effort, maybe something more of a throwback, more similar to FFIX or Gaiden, would be better suited to Wii?



Kasz216 said:
Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:

Kasz216 saiz:

Wii sells more games per user then the PS3 in Japan.  The real for the third parties is that the Wii audience is more divided due to new expierences.

Things like Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit and Super Mario Brothers Wii and such are going to take away from your midline franchises.  Not Final Fantasy.

This same statement could've been made in reference to the ps2, yet all these franchises sold far better there than they do on the Wii.  On the ps2 there was a endless avalanche of new games to play in Japan, yet these franchises still managed to make names for themselves.  There's more to this than there simply being more games to choose from on Wii.

jarrod saiz:

Also, your Outbreak comparison is confusing.  The games are fundamentally different (and Outbreak is far, far closer to the "mainline" formula in terms of mechanics and presentation), what you should be comparing are the lightgunners... Famitsu data again..

We don't seem to have any data for the lightgun series in our database, which is why I went for the only other Resident Evil spin-off I could think of.  It was a rather ill chosen comparison, I agree.

Keep in mind that with older lightgun games you actually had to buy the lightgun in addition to the game.  With the Wii, you simply use the standard controller, which is why lightgun games have shown far greater success on the Wii than ever before.  The Time Crisis series did pretty well on the ps1 and ps2, but that was the only big thing since Duck Hunt.  The Wii's success in this regard has little bearing on where the Resident Evil fanbase now lies.

jarrod also saiz:

The PS2 port of RE4 was announced before the GC version released even, it totally killed it's sales potential since pretty much everyone already had a PS2.  Had the port not been announced, I think you'd have seen a ratio split more in line with what we saw for Tales of Symphonia (did 323k GC, 394k PS2).

This is an excellent point, and one that I had completely forgotten about.  It basically invalidates the example I used.

It couldn't of been said on the PS2.  In fact I was comparing it to the PS2 in this comment.

There was nothing like the emergence of the Wii franchise on the PS2.  A franchise that actually created entire new ways to play and new genres.

The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.

PS2 owners who now own the Wii basically have to either decide to buy less "mid level franchises" to try the new Wii franchises or spend more money... or both.  Not to mention the return of mainline Nintendo games.

Here is something to consider.

Take a look at the top selling games on the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS2&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=


Now take a look at the top selling Wii games.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=

 

The Wii has 12 games that have already sold 1 million copies in japan.

The PS2 has a total of 18 games that have sold 1 million copies japan.

 

The Wii has only sold 9 Million consoles so far... the Wii will CRUSH the PS2 in million sellers in Japan by the end of this generation... despite the reality that it's going to sell less consoles then the PS2.  The games market in Japan isn't depressed.  It's larger then ever.

Why?  The new franchises and new games invogorate sales.  Even so... the Wii can only sell so many games.

Final Fantasy is not a game that would have to worry about this.

 

The Wii has 12 games over 1 million in your list and 6 more over 500k. Of those only 4 are non Nintendo published games

 

The PS2 has 18 games over 1 million and 52 more over 500k.... All 70 of those were non Nintendo published games..

So don't tell us they are in any way comparable... 70 vs 4 isn't the same as saying 'The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.'

 

The Wii does not have the huge majority of the successfull titles that were on the PS2 ( 4 vs 70 can't really be argued..)

 

What does Nintendo or non Nintendo published games have to do with anything?  

Once again... FF13 is not a midline game.  (The kind that are suffering on the Wii and PS3.)

Wii moves more software.  Those games are suffering because of the influx of such quality Wii software... which was you know, my whole point your really agreeing with me here.

Though you are ignoring the Sony published games there.

I'm not ignoring the Sony published games..

That's my point, you can't argue the Wii is getting all the PS2 had and more when the huge majority of the PS2 games/franchises are not on the Wii...

Heck we're speaking of the Japanese market right ?

Where exactly is a Wii owner getting all the RPGs he was getting on the PS2 ?



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Kasz216 said:

I'm not assuming it.  It's through Nintendo's own numbers they had released a while ago.  A big majority of those Wii owners did own PS2s.

Besides if they weren't at Wii... where did these PS2 consumers go?   People generally adopt the same time they usually do generation to generation.

Do you have a link?  The only real data I can find on this is US centric (70% of Wii owning households also owned a PS2), and from Nielsen.



makingmusic476 said:
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
Ail said:
 

 

The Wii has 12 games over 1 million in your list and 6 more over 500k. Of those only 4 are non Nintendo published games

 

The PS2 has 18 games over 1 million and 52 more over 500k.... All 70 of those were non Nintendo published games..

So don't tell us they are in any way comparable... 70 vs 4 isn't the same as saying 'The Wii has everything the PS2 did + completly new types of games that have become huge hits.'

 

The Wii does not have the huge majority of the successfull titles that were on the PS2 ( 4 vs 70 can't really be argued..)

 

Nice post.

To add to this, Kasz, you're assuming that those 9 million Wii gamers were former ps2 owners that are buying these Nintendo franchises instead of old ps2 franchises, when it's very possible that millions of those 9 million are blue ocean gamers that Nintendo has brought to gaming through the Wii, much like they have managed to do so in the West, and these people are much more inclined to buy something like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, or the ever loveable Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart over Final Fantasy or Tales, whether due to the style of gameplay or simply because they're not familiar with the latter franchises.

I'm not assuming it.  It's through Nintendo's own numbers they had released a while ago.  A big majority of those Wii owners did own PS2s.

Well that would surprise me, given the nature of Nintendo's business strategy, but I'll take your word for it. 

Wish i could find the actual article.  If Soriku walks by I'm sure he can refrence it.

Either way,  I think you misunderstand the main part of Nintendo's strategy.

It's not to sell consoles to households who wouldn't buy consoles before.

It's to get the average number of users per console up. 

Those were the numbers they were really bragging about back when they were showing of slides.

I mean heck, I know i started buying different PS2 games once I started dating my girlfriend.  Started buying less "midline" singleplayer games and focused more on co-op games we could play together.  Spend a little bit more buying those single player games later as well.  It's a trend that's continued on the next gen systems as well for me.  Though my girlfriend isn't really a "blue ocean" player so much as someone who just needed a push into videogames to enjoy them.

 

Also, there isn't anybody in Japan who isn't familiar with Final Fantasy.  If anything I'd think any "Blue Ocean" consumers would be interested in trying out one of the biggest gaming franchises in Japan.

 

Tales, yeah... which once again was my point.  A mainline Final Fantasy game?